Why Cypherpunks Shouldn't Vote for the system of their own oppression

[jim bell]

I'm not going to be drawn into Juan's nonsense.         Jim Bell

      From: juan <juan.g71 at gmail.com>
 To: cypherpunks at lists.cpunks.org 
 Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 10:58 AM
 Subject: Re: Why Cypherpunks Shouldn't Vote for the system of their own oppression
   
On Mon, 24 Oct 2016 17:48:57 +0000 (UTC)
jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> 
>  From: Razer <rayzer at riseup.net>
> The issue I'm having reading this thread about the US Erections is
> this list is ostensibly Anarchist and I don't understand why it's
> infested almost exclusively by Libertarians. Libertarians CANNOT be
> Anarchist ... because they believe in government. Small, but they
> BELIEVE that the US political system actually works in the interest
> of the people, or it can be made so.
> 
> Not exactly, There are "anarchist libertarians" and "minarchist
> libertarians".  


    No. So called 'minarchist' 'libertarians' are just statists,
    not libertarians. They believe in murdering anyone who doesn't
    obey the Holy State.


>I was one of the latter, before 1995 when I
> discovered/invented my AP system.  


    So you were a plain old statist who didn't study libertarian
    philosophy well enough. 


> Afterwards, I realized not only
> that having no government was possible, it was essentially
> inevitable. 

    That is not true. Your AP system isn't going to magically get
    rid of government. There's absolutely no reason why it must
    'inevitable' lead to anarchy. 


    To sum up : actual and consistent libertarians existed way
    before 'assasination politics'. Consistent libertarianism has
    nothing to do with utilitarian and or 'practical'
    considerations. 


> Note:  It is, strictly speaking, incorrect to say:
>  "Libertarians CANNOT be Anarchist ...because they believe in
> government."Libertarians believe in a certain set of limits to
> people's relationships and interactions with other people.  A
> Libertarian may believe that a small government is tolerable, and
> maybe still necessary; other libertarians may believe that a stable
> anarchy is possible.  (As I now do.) Jim Bell  


   
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