What % of the so-called alt-right were just plain ol' libertarians before?

[Razer]

On 11/20/2016 08:30 PM, jim bell wrote:
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> *From:* Razer <rayzer at riseup.net>
> On 11/20/2016 03:05 PM, jim bell wrote:
>> >>"socially-permissive republican", that approximates a libertarian.
>>  But you could have also said, "an economically-permissive democrat..."
> >"socially-permissive republican" is not the mainstream of the
> Republican party,
>
> True.  But they are getting closer to this ideal.

[*Coughs* and throws up a little in his mouth...]

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> > economically-permissive democrat IS in the mainstream in that party
>
> NUTS!   In any society where some people can be taxed at 50% of their
> income (add federal, state, local, sales tax, property tax), that is
> NOT "economically-permissive"!!!  Obviously, your idea of
> "economically-permissive" is CRACKED.

50% of $50 million (for instance) must be REALLY TOUGH on them. While
the guy who picks the food they eat lives in a cardboard box in the
field or a TB-infected "Campo" (A few of these in the Monterey area look
as bad as any NYC tenement with exposed wiring, black mold etc. I've
seen them personally.)

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> Libertarians believe taxation is left.  If you don't believe that, you
> can't be a libertarian.  And if you truly don't even understand that
> libertarians believe taxation is theft, you are utterly clueless.

I don't believe that taxation in and of itself is theft. I think the
people who diburse the taxes (the government) are thieves. THEY get to
decide what the money is used for ... in the interest of people who are
often QUITE Libertarian, instead of the people in the community or
society at large deciding... You need the chart from Gilens and Page for
that statement about who has say in US policy decisions?

http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/85720026694

Oh RIGHT I extrapolate on your previous statement about communities
being evilly collectivist. You don't believe that communities and
societies people live within should have a say, that it all about ME and
MY MONEY and fuck you! I'll build the road and YOU can't use it b/c MY
money (or play favorites ...Ie cronyism, or toll the road)... etc ad nauseum


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> > if you consider the regulations made DEFINITELY work in favor of
> capitalists (employers, financial industry) and not the workers. The
> capitalists say that's not true. Regulation hurts them. But "Hurts
> them" means it prevents them from having it all."
>
> It's hard to know what you are talking about.
>  "Economically-permissive" doesn't merely mean "permissive only for
> business people".  That would be called "crony-capitalism", not to be
> confused with "crony socialism", etc.
>

The libertarians I know who own small businesses EXEMPLIFY Crony
Capitalism Yup... One's a stone cold racist who owns a coffee shop and
made a point of naming a Kenyan blend after Obama.

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> >Ps. You're discussing this with someone who thinks the two parties
> are really two right wing factions of a one party state with the
> belief in 'manifest destiny' and 'nationalist exceptionalism' (fascism
> you know?) as ideology.
>
> Yes, and I consider myself an anarchist.  But that does not mean that
> the Republicans and Democrats arent at least distinguishable.  They
> have different faults, for instance.
>
>> >>Further, Fascists lead you to believe people have rights until your
>> rights interfere with their sociopolitical needs. That's a US
>> Libertarian, defined.
>>
>> >>You will have to be more specific.  Which "sociopolitical needs"?
>>  Which "rights"?
>
> >Hitler needed Euro Jews for slave labor to create his great war
> machine sociopolitically and economically.
>
> >Their rights.
>
>
> Your last few lines would make sense, except for your "convenient"
> insertion of "US Libertarian" into the mix.
>
>

Duly noted. It's called cognitive dissonance.

>
> >Libertarians are fine with underpaid labor in the fields because it's
> the natural order of things that bright minds with bright ideas, like
> (snigger) app designers and database wonks are paid a fortune and the
> people who feed them live in refrigerator boxes in fields ... b/c
> "Free Market".
>
> What's your definition of "underpaid"?

See above or earlier about fieldhands living in a cardboard box or
TB-infested Campo. That's because they can't afford rent despite the
fact they work 12 hours a day 7 days a week sunrise to sunset, until the
harvest is finished.

Underpaid. Any questions?

>  Libertarians believe in the Free Market.  Well, we don't have much of
> a free market, but at least the concept is understandable.

It's like believing in the easter bunny, or for that matter a world
without cops and armies.

Pot won't get you there... Better "chase dragons".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chasing_the_dragon

Rr
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>           Jim Bell
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