[info at fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

Stephen D. Williams sdw at lig.net
Fri Nov 11 12:08:45 PST 2016


On 11/11/16 12:05 PM, Razer wrote:
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> On 11/11/2016 11:12 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>> Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse?  I don't think you know what that word means.
>>
>> sdw
>
> Yes I do. It means tangential... surrounded by blather...
>
> Go look it up. You bury grams of information in pounds of trash talk.

No, it doesn't:
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/obtuse

> adjective
>
> 1.
> not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not sensitive or observant; dull.

sdw

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> Rr
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>> On 11/11/16 10:54 AM, Razer wrote:
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>>> Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse".
>>>
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>>> On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>>> On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took code he owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty
>>>>> fucking obvious troll.
>>>>
>>>> You said:
>>>>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a
>>>>> ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>>>
>>>> I interpreted that as:
>>>>
>>>> CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a
>>>> Torvalds'.
>>>>
>>>> I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and use of things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that
>>>> he designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were saying that he was a ham radio operator on some team who took
>>>> all the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) has.  Since none of it seems very logical, and the former is
>>>> ridiculous, I took my best guess at meaning.
>>>>
>>>> Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling.  Being obtuse then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rr
>>>>
>>>> sdw
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said co-invented.  Of course there were previous tries at solving
>>>>>> networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and we no longer use any of them.  Similarly, every patent
>>>>>> depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a significant leap forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf
>>>>>>> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor
>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor#Assistant_professor> at Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted
>>>>>>> research on packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed the DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem that needed to be solved to build a working Internet. 
>>>>>> It is amazing that very few changes were made since the first released version.  We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf
>>>>>> invented the Internet."  We know there was more to it, but what he did enabled everything else with an elegant solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're ideology is strange and not very useful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and related advances.  But that doesn't mean we don't
>>>>>> value and appreciate those who did.  It could have been much worse in many ways.  We could be paying packet charges to
>>>>>> national telecoms with only centralized "security", for instance.  We are very very lucky, and not in an anthropic principle way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sdw
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a
>>>>>>> ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's literally idiotic and historically vacant. A
>>>>>>> stupid-ing down of the history of the internet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know? It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can
>>>>>>>>> imagine. One person inventing the WWW... ROTF!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MAYBE the TERM "WWW".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rr
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals inventing or co-inventing specific components of the
>>>>>>>> Internet and protocols on it.  TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and well-known specific sense.  Most of us have
>>>>>>>> read all about it and a few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from FTP, telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web
>>>>>>>> pages.  Vint Cerf co-invented TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet".  I don't know of anyone else who is
>>>>>>>> said to have "invented the World Wide Web".  There were people who earlier suggested some kind of linked shared
>>>>>>>> information, like Ted Nelson.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sdw
>>>>>>>>
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