[info at fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Razer]

On 11/11/2016 11:12 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
> Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse?  I don't think
> you know what that word means.
>
> sdw

Yes I do. It means tangential... surrounded by blather...

Go look it up. You bury grams of information in pounds of trash talk.

Rr


>
> On 11/11/16 10:54 AM, Razer wrote:
>>
>> Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse".
>>
>>
>> On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>> On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute
>>>>> anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took
>>>> code he owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty fucking
>>>> obvious troll.
>>>
>>> You said:
>>>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE,
>>>> hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham
>>>> radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>>
>>> I interpreted that as:
>>>
>>> CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham
>>> radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>>
>>> I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and
>>> use of things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that he
>>> designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were
>>> saying that he was a ham radio operator on some team who took all
>>> the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) has.  Since
>>> none of it seems very logical, and the former is ridiculous, I took
>>> my best guess at meaning.
>>>
>>> Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling.  Being
>>> obtuse then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rr
>>>
>>> sdw
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said
>>>>> co-invented.  Of course there were previous tries at solving
>>>>> networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed
>>>>> and we no longer use any of them.  Similarly, every patent depends
>>>>> on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a
>>>>> significant leap forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf
>>>>>> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor
>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor#Assistant_professor> at
>>>>>> Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted research
>>>>>> on packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed the
>>>>>> DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.
>>>>>
>>>>> TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol
>>>>> problem that needed to be solved to build a working Internet.  It
>>>>> is amazing that very few changes were made since the first
>>>>> released version.  We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf invented
>>>>> the Internet."  We know there was more to it, but what he did
>>>>> enabled everything else with an elegant solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute
>>>>> anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're ideology is strange and not very useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet
>>>>> and related advances.  But that doesn't mean we don't value and
>>>>> appreciate those who did.  It could have been much worse in many
>>>>> ways.  We could be paying packet charges to national telecoms with
>>>>> only centralized "security", for instance.  We are very very
>>>>> lucky, and not in an anthropic principle way.
>>>>>
>>>>> sdw
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE,
>>>>>> hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham
>>>>>> radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers.
>>>>>> It's literally idiotic and historically vacant. A stupid-ing down
>>>>>> of the history of the internet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you
>>>>>>>> know? It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can imagine.
>>>>>>>> One person inventing the WWW... ROTF!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MAYBE the TERM "WWW".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rr
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals
>>>>>>> inventing or co-inventing specific components of the Internet
>>>>>>> and protocols on it.  TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core
>>>>>>> and well-known specific sense.  Most of us have read all about
>>>>>>> it and a few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching
>>>>>>> from FTP, telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web pages.  Vint Cerf
>>>>>>> co-invented TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the
>>>>>>> Internet".  I don't know of anyone else who is said to have
>>>>>>> "invented the World Wide Web".  There were people who earlier
>>>>>>> suggested some kind of linked shared information, like Ted Nelson.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sdw
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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