[info at fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

Stephen D. Williams sdw at lig.net
Fri Nov 11 11:12:23 PST 2016


Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse?  I don't think you know what that word means.

sdw

On 11/11/16 10:54 AM, Razer wrote:
>
> Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse".
>
>
> On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>> On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took code he owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty
>>> fucking obvious troll.
>>
>> You said:
>>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham
>>> radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>
>> I interpreted that as:
>>
>> CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>
>> I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and use of things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that he
>> designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were saying that he was a ham radio operator on some team who took all
>> the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) has.  Since none of it seems very logical, and the former is ridiculous, I
>> took my best guess at meaning.
>>
>> Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling.  Being obtuse then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling.
>>
>>>
>>> Rr
>>
>> sdw
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said co-invented.  Of course there were previous tries at solving
>>>> networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and we no longer use any of them.  Similarly, every patent
>>>> depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a significant leap forward.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf
>>>>> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor#Assistant_professor> at Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted
>>>>> research on packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed the DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.
>>>>
>>>> TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem that needed to be solved to build a working Internet.  It
>>>> is amazing that very few changes were made since the first released version.  We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf invented
>>>> the Internet."  We know there was more to it, but what he did enabled everything else with an elegant solution.
>>>>
>>>> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>>>>
>>>> You're ideology is strange and not very useful.
>>>>
>>>> We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and related advances.  But that doesn't mean we don't value
>>>> and appreciate those who did.  It could have been much worse in many ways.  We could be paying packet charges to national
>>>> telecoms with only centralized "security", for instance.  We are very very lucky, and not in an anthropic principle way.
>>>>
>>>> sdw
>>>>
>>>> On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a
>>>>> ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's literally idiotic and historically vacant. A stupid-ing
>>>>> down of the history of the internet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know? It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can
>>>>>>> imagine. One person inventing the WWW... ROTF!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MAYBE the TERM "WWW".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rr
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals inventing or co-inventing specific components of the Internet
>>>>>> and protocols on it.  TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and well-known specific sense.  Most of us have read all
>>>>>> about it and a few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from FTP, telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web pages.  Vint
>>>>>> Cerf co-invented TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet".  I don't know of anyone else who is said to have
>>>>>> "invented the World Wide Web".  There were people who earlier suggested some kind of linked shared information, like Ted Nelson.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sdw
>>>>>>
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