Why I despise "Revolutionary Vanguards" [Was Re: "positive thinking", a great tool for quelling dissent]

[Razer]

"I DO NOT LIKE PEOPLE who hijack issues to soapbox their tangents on." A
conversation with someone on a social media site regarding the routing
of the Dakota Access Pipeline, and what it means:

>
> ME: Looks like they're cutting the distance by a few hundred miles.
> Think 'Millions of dollars for every mile.'
>
> The OTHER Participant: Its about disposeable people. Such as the
> Standing Rock Sioux.
>
> ME: It's about money. People are just in the way of their profits if
> they're not slaving to produce those profits.
>
> The OTHER Participant: Of course but some people are less valuable
> than others aka the the Sioux vs the Bismarckians.
>
> ME: Sorry. Not buying the ethnic angle. For more reasons than human
> nature can account for.
>
> For a start there are racist assholes everywhere. Check you neighbors.
> Ranchers and natives come together over issues important to them. Ask
> the downwinders in Nevada. Just b/c the tarpipe is going over native
> land makes it no less important to stop to other people in the region.
> BLM GRAZING LAND that's leased to ranchers usually borders on
> 'reservations'.
>
> OTOH, the businesses and REAL ESTATE people have to LUV the tarpipe no
> matter where it is for the business and land prices it brings.
> Projects like this, INCLUDING SOLAR AND WIND POWER development brings
> gentrification to rural areas of the US and prices go up to match.
>
> Assuming the citizens of Bismark as a cohesive unit aren't in
> solidarity with the Natives is asinine and simplistic, and destructive
> to solidarity. Even if the local news spouts off.
>
> Locally the paper spouts about the homeless but that doesn't seem to
> change any individual's minds about the issue, nor does the paper
> represent the interest of the community. It represents "businesses and
> REAL ESTATE people"... You know... The people who buy the ad space.
>
> Have you ever been to really rural areas of the US? The only people
> they don't get along with are OUTSIDERS. Especially ones who try to
> drive wedges... or drive existing ones deeper.
>
> Ps. As an example of "Outsider" I remember when "Marx' Vanguard Bois"
> tried to organize factory workers in the 60s. Many were lucky to
> escape with their lives ROTF! They said the workers were
> REACTIONARIES! ROTF!
>
> Ps... The Bismark Tribune is reporting a WIN for Standing Rock
>
> Sheriff in Wisconsin pulls deputies back from North Dakota pipeline
> deployment
> BISMARCKTRIBUNE.COM|BY GEORGE HESSELBERG, WISCONSIN STATE JOURNAL
>
>
> The OTHER Participant: so you disagree with the statement on your map
> "nixed by regulators due to concerns over drinking water in Bismarck area"
>
> The OTHER Participant: and yes I have been to rural areas in the US
> and have directly experienced the reaction to "outsiders" who threaten
> disruption of the status quo (the racist one).
>
> ME >> The OTHER Participant:  I published the map for the map content
> and have no interest at all in the caption. Never even noted it, but
> perhaps I'll wipe it and repost the image if it makes you happy.
>
> Have you ever met any "Regulators"? They answer to the ECONOMIC ELITE
> of an area. I'm REALLY REALLY familiar with the "California Coastal
> Commission" and land development at Big Sur and locally. I really
> doubt the politics that drives the "Regulators" in the Bismark area
> are one fucking bit different.
>
> Listen. You can be an army of one with your vanguard revolution if you
> like. Just don't run your divisive crap here. I eat 'vanguards' for
> breakfast.
>
> The OTHER Participant: that's fine with me.
>
> ME >> The OTHER Participant:  The only division I see is the people
> who have it ALL vs "The rest of us". The generic "White folks of
> Bismark" are NOT 'the people who have it all". AAMOF "The generic
> "White folks of Bismark" don't even exist, any more than the
> stereotyped Native American in a War Bonnet. Why are you promoting
> their creation? I already know the answer, Vanguard boy.
>
> The OTHER Participant: I am curious. Do you do any activism beyond
> this stuff?
>
> The OTHER Participant: I am also curious whether you think there is
> systemic racism in the US of Alzheimer's.
>
> ME >> The OTHER Participant:  Of course. But don't bother trying to
> 'make a point' on that loaded question. I'm POSITIVE YOU WILL NOT get
> a response you like. I DO NOT LIKE PEOPLE who hijack issues to soapbox
> their tangents on.
>
> The focus is stopping a pipeline. Got that Vanguard boy?
>
> The ranchers in the area have just as much an interest in that
> happening as the natives so you can take your institutional racism
> crap somewhere else and talk amongst your 'revolutionary' selves.
>
> Bob Avakian's page would be a good place for it:
> https://www.facebook.com/BobAvakian/
>
> ME >> The OTHER Participant:  "Beyond 'this stuff"?"
>
> Explain what 'this stuff' is?
>
> The OTHER Participant: facebook typing.
>
> ME: You mean like the time I got run down by a mounted cop when I was
> 16 for clobbering his buddy with a rock sort of 'stuff'
>
> Or perhaps you men me publicly outing the LaRouchies trying to hijack
> the local Occupy GA kind of 'stuff' while shoving off one of their
> overzealous thugs much to the dismay of enraptured prog-libs kind of
> 'stuff'?
>
> ME: What is it you do besides find fault with other people's 'stuff'?
>
> The OTHER Participant: i block them. bye bye nutcase.
>
> ME >> The OTHER Participant:  Good riddance Revolutionary boy.

Rr


On 11/05/2016 10:19 AM, Razer wrote:
> Regarding: "police-from-seven-different-states".
>
> It's SIX states now I believe...
>
> "Wisconsin Sheriff pulls deputies from North Dakota pipeline detail";
> Won't be replaced
>
> http://bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/sheriff-in-wisconsin-pulls-deputies-back-from-north-dakota-pipeline/article_c0378e3a-8e57-59f1-9975-781c35bf1ee1.html
>
> Rr
>
> Ps. This 'positive thinking is a problem' story is months old, and for
> me 'positive thinking' implies thinking of the eradication of the
> people who decide what's "positive" and 'negative", because it's in
> relation to something right? And who gets to decide that relationship
> for me?
>
>
>
>
> On 11/05/2016 09:43 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 11/03/2016 08:26 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> > RSA ANIMATE: Smile or Die Acclaimed journalist, author and
>> > political activist Barbara Ehrenreich explores the darker side of
>> > positive thinking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5um8QWWRvo
>>
>>
>> Yes! magazine, the principal propaganda organ for Progressive Liberal
>> positive thinkers, seems to have just changed its editorial policy.
>> In a feature article widely distributed via social media, they have
>> published a detailed account of police violence at Standing Rock that
>> calls torture of prisoners torture, straight up, without euphemisms or
>> waffling.  This is a radical break from their customary "if you can't
>> say something nice don't say anything at all" policy, which is what
>> the Yes! brand has been about for many years.
>>
>> Yes! will not meet standards for approval by our more wannabe-radical
>> participants here, because it is /most/ unlikely that they will ever
>> advocate killing people as the one and only practical way to affect
>> political change.  But they do reach an audience of opinion leaders
>> among the Middle Class Liberals, and those folks' favorite feelgood
>> story teller just took a shot at slapping them awake.  In and of
>> itself this means little, but as an indicator of shifting political
>> winds it is part of a trend that could become YUGE.
>>
>> Our urban Middle Class has been treated to months of full saturation
>> propaganda campaigns presenting a vulgar buffoon of a
>> pretend-candidate for President as an existential threat to Everything
>> That Is Good And Holy In The Entire Universe.  The same campaigns
>> promote the absolute, unquestionable necessity of electing a ruthless,
>> vicious, high performing mass murderer who will save them from the Big
>> Bad Trump, depicting her as the shining champion and savior of
>> Everything That Is Good And Holy In The Entire Universe.  In recent
>> weeks I have seen people I would never have believed capable of
>> rational criticism of their Party's heroic leaders bailing out of that
>> mind set.
>>
>> Is it possible that the cognitive dissonance barriers that keep
>> Identity Politics on the (so-called) Left working have started to
>> crack?  Could it be that the people at Yes! think so, and have decided
>> to roll with that and see where it leads?
>>
>> http://www.yesmagazine.org/people-power/why-the-assaults-on-standing-roc
>> k-require-police-from-seven-different-states-and-other-questions-2016103
>> 1
>>
>> =or=
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/yes-off-the-reservation
>>
>> :o)
>>
>>
>

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