[info at fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Stephen D. Williams]

On 11/11/16 12:16 PM, Razer wrote:
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> On 11/11/2016 12:08 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>> On 11/11/16 12:05 PM, Razer wrote:
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>>> On 11/11/2016 11:12 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>>> Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse?  I don't think you know what that word means.
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>>>> sdw
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>>> Yes I do. It means tangential... surrounded by blather...
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>>> Go look it up. You bury grams of information in pounds of trash talk.
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>> No, it doesn't:
>> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/obtuse
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>>> adjective
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>>> 1.
>>> not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not sensitive or observant; dull.
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>> sdw
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> Obtuse in a KIND OF ANGLE, STUPID.

Thanks for emphatically clarifying that you didn't know the relevant meaning.  I would offer to use small words next time, but it is
already a small word.  Btw, even as a math term, it is used "adjectively".

sdw

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> No wonder you don't make any sense most of the time an our eys all glaze over when you post. Your idiocy in using it adjectively,
> despite the fact that almost NO ONE uses it that way, to fend of criticism of your blather, IS A PRIME EXAMPLE of your Obtuseness,
> adjectively.

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> Rr
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>>> Rr
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>>>> On 11/11/16 10:54 AM, Razer wrote:
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>>>>> Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse".
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>>>>> On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote:
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>>>>>>> On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took code he owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty
>>>>>>> fucking obvious troll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You said:
>>>>>>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a
>>>>>>> ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I interpreted that as:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a
>>>>>> Torvalds'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and use of things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that
>>>>>> he designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were saying that he was a ham radio operator on some team who
>>>>>> took all the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) has.  Since none of it seems very logical, and the former is
>>>>>> ridiculous, I took my best guess at meaning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling.  Being obtuse then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rr
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sdw
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said co-invented.  Of course there were previous tries at solving
>>>>>>>> networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and we no longer use any of them.  Similarly, every patent
>>>>>>>> depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a significant leap forward.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf
>>>>>>>>> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor
>>>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor#Assistant_professor> at Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted
>>>>>>>>> research on packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed the DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem that needed to be solved to build a working
>>>>>>>> Internet.  It is amazing that very few changes were made since the first released version.  We all know what we mean by
>>>>>>>> "Vint Cerf invented the Internet."  We know there was more to it, but what he did enabled everything else with an elegant
>>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're ideology is strange and not very useful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and related advances.  But that doesn't mean we don't
>>>>>>>> value and appreciate those who did.  It could have been much worse in many ways.  We could be paying packet charges to
>>>>>>>> national telecoms with only centralized "security", for instance.  We are very very lucky, and not in an anthropic
>>>>>>>> principle way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sdw
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c
>>>>>>>>> a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's literally idiotic and historically vacant. A
>>>>>>>>> stupid-ing down of the history of the internet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know? It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can
>>>>>>>>>>> imagine. One person inventing the WWW... ROTF!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> MAYBE the TERM "WWW".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rr
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals inventing or co-inventing specific components of the
>>>>>>>>>> Internet and protocols on it.  TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and well-known specific sense.  Most of us have
>>>>>>>>>> read all about it and a few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from FTP, telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web
>>>>>>>>>> pages.  Vint Cerf co-invented TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet".  I don't know of anyone else who is
>>>>>>>>>> said to have "invented the World Wide Web".  There were people who earlier suggested some kind of linked shared
>>>>>>>>>> information, like Ted Nelson.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> sdw
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sdw

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