[info at fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

[Razer]

Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse".


On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
> On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>
>>> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute
>>> anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>>>
>>
>> I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took
>> code he owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty fucking
>> obvious troll.
>
> You said:
>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE,
>> hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham radio
>> operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>
> I interpreted that as:
>
> CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham
> radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>
> I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and use
> of things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that he designed the
> protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were saying that he was a
> ham radio operator on some team who took all the credit for a team
> effort as Linus (quite fairly) has.  Since none of it seems very
> logical, and the former is ridiculous, I took my best guess at meaning.
>
> Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling.  Being
> obtuse then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling.
>
>>
>> Rr
>
> sdw
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said
>>> co-invented.  Of course there were previous tries at solving
>>> networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and
>>> we no longer use any of them.  Similarly, every patent depends on
>>> the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a
>>> significant leap forward.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf
>>>> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor#Assistant_professor> at
>>>> Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted research on
>>>> packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed the DoD
>>>> TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn.
>>>
>>> TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol
>>> problem that needed to be solved to build a working Internet.  It is
>>> amazing that very few changes were made since the first released
>>> version.  We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf invented the
>>> Internet."  We know there was more to it, but what he did enabled
>>> everything else with an elegant solution.
>>>
>>> "Did a Torvalds"?  Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute
>>> anything significant either?  Oh my.  You are so clueless.
>>>
>>> You're ideology is strange and not very useful.
>>>
>>> We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet
>>> and related advances.  But that doesn't mean we don't value and
>>> appreciate those who did.  It could have been much worse in many
>>> ways.  We could be paying packet charges to national telecoms with
>>> only centralized "security", for instance.  We are very very lucky,
>>> and not in an anthropic principle way.
>>>
>>> sdw
>>>
>>> On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE,
>>>> hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham
>>>> radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'.
>>>>
>>>> It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers.
>>>> It's literally idiotic and historically vacant. A stupid-ing down
>>>> of the history of the internet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>>>>> On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you
>>>>>> know? It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can imagine. One
>>>>>> person inventing the WWW... ROTF!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MAYBE the TERM "WWW".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rr
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals
>>>>> inventing or co-inventing specific components of the Internet and
>>>>> protocols on it.  TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and
>>>>> well-known specific sense.  Most of us have read all about it and
>>>>> a few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from FTP,
>>>>> telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web pages.  Vint Cerf co-invented
>>>>> TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet".  I don't
>>>>> know of anyone else who is said to have "invented the World Wide
>>>>> Web".  There were people who earlier suggested some kind of linked
>>>>> shared information, like Ted Nelson.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/
>>>>>
>>>>> sdw
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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