Wikileaks is the Endgame

[Mirimir]

On 06/29/2016 08:36 PM, grarpamp wrote:
> On 6/29/16, Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>> So who would use it? I'm guessing that everyone who uses Tor, I2P, etc,
>> etc would use it. And so we'd be back to where we are now with Tor, with
>> just the exception that the new system isn't vulnerable to global
>> adversaries.
>>
>> How would you keep statist criminals from using it?
> 
> When you have a non vulnerable network, or at least one that's
> equally invulnerable to or exploitable by all participants, the
> question of who uses it becomes more mooted by that balance.

True.

> Today's overlay networks are vulnerable to GPA's, which at
> this stage are just governments and global telecoms... not
> end users. There's a big imbalance there, and it's not in
> favor of said users.

That's also true. But you take what you can get.

>> There's still the criticism that Tor is intentionally vulnerable to
>> global adversaries. Maybe it was at first, by design. But it's an
>> open-source project.
> 
> Best design principles vs adversaries, as school of thought
> over a decade ago, are certainly different than what would
> be designed in 2017. There's room for something new.

I totally agree.

What about Dissent?[0] Also funded by DARPA ;)

What do you see as promising?

[0]
http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2015/10/192387-seeking-anonymity-in-an-internet-panopticon/fulltext