the challenge of becoming an anarchist - why nearly everyone's a statist

[juan]

On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 21:59:07 -0700
Kurt Buff <kurt.buff at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 9:07 PM, eden <edenw at gal3.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 3:54 AM, Kurt Buff <kurt.buff at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Anarchism is hard for some people to differentiate from nihilism.
> >
> >    I agree.
> >
> >> Try reading Lysander Spooner, Benjamin Tucker, Ludwig von Mises
> >> and, most especially, Murray Rothbard. Maybe a bit of David
> >> Friedman, too.
> >>
> >> Once you've made your way through their works, you can call
> >> yourself educated in anarchism.
> >>
> >> Ignore Emma Goldman, the various Russian anarchist, the
> >> anarcho-syndicalists, etc. - they aren't serious.
> >
> >    Are you serious?
> >
> >    Von MISES? How would you distinguish between Anarchism and
> > Libertarianism (and nihilism)?
> 
> 
> Yes, I'm serious, including about von Mises. He's extraordinarily
> influential


	mises was a second rate utiliarian **statist**.  His only
	connection to anarchism is that he made some of the most
	stupid criticism of anarchism you could ever read. 


	looks like now we have a bot from the austrian cult of
	economics





, and Rothbard cites him as a primary influence. You must
> grant him (as you must with other historical figures, especially those
> of intellectual stature) the limitations of his time and place. See
> especially
> https://www.amazon.com/Mises-Liberalism-J%C3%B6rg-Guido-H%C3%BClsmann/dp/193355018X/.
> He was not prepared to take the last few steps toward repudiating
> government, but he laid the foundation for those who would.
> 
> Libertarians (both big and small 'L') usually postulate some form of
> minimalist government - usually of the "night watchman" strain.
> 
> Nihilism (as opposed to both regular libertarianism and individualist
> anarchism) seems to eschew both personal responsibility and the logic
> of causality, preferring the dream state of absolute freedom, without
> consequence.
> 
> Kurt