Wikileaks is the Endgame

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On Sun, 2016-06-26 at 20:52 -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> On 06/26/2016 07:04 PM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
> > I've never engaged in ad hominem attacks on this list, and I don't think
> > they have a place here. This post starts with an ad hominem attack, and
> > goes on to slam those who run the Tor Project (some of which are likely
> > volunteers), while incorrectly saying they all work for the US military.
> 
> Why not just killfile people who post stuff that you don't want to read?

I shouldn't have to. That's what community standards of decent behavior
are for. That's what moderation is for.

> > To the rest of the readership on this list (besides the original
> > poster), do you consider this acceptable?
> 
> It's not my call.

As part of the community, it is your call. A simple "no, I consider this
unacceptable" would have sufficed.

> This is an unmoderated, uncensored list. I like that.
> If you don't like it, unsubscribe.

That's a complete non-solution, as it means I lose all of the quality
messages along with the crap. It is throwing the proverbial baby out
with the bathwater.

Standing up for someone's right to pollute the list with messages that,
in all honesty, contribute nothing to civil discussion, is bad enough.
Your suggestion that I unsubscribe is many times worse than that.

> > Once upon a time, cypherpunks was a place where constructive discussion
> > was the norm, and outright garbage being posted to the list was not.
> > Now, it seems it is the reverse of that. What do we have to do to fix
> > this?
> 
> When would that have been? I've been subscribed off and on to various
> versions of this list for about 20 years, and there's always been
> garbage. Some of the garbage has been very entertaining :) Back in the
> day, there was so much garbage that I had to subscribe to the filtered
> version, to conserve bandwidth. And even that had loads of garbage.

Maybe circa 2003-2006 or so, it used to not be like this. At least, I
don't remember it being anywhere near this bad, even when there was the
occasional flaming going on. I've never seen someone spew one attack
after another after another.

Getting banned from a mailing list, in general, should serve as a
warning that one's conduct is unacceptable. If this describes you,
recently, please heed that warning.

-- 
Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn at rushpost.com>