the most annoying thing about Juan

John jnn at
Thu Jul 21 04:23:30 PDT 2016

On July 21, 2016 6:43:33 AM EDT, Zenaan Harkness <zen at> wrote:
>On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 04:14:24AM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
>> On 07/21/2016 03:00 AM, juan wrote:
>> > On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:54:45 -0600
>> > Mirimir <mirimir at> wrote:
>> >>>>> So are you arguing that well-designed backdoors are OK? Or are
>> >>>>> just arguing that US military are dumb enough to think so. That
>> >>>>> they're so confident about their superior capabilities?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The latter seems perfectly plausible to me. Groupthink.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 	I don't think the US military are dumb. If you do, then you
>> >>> are not thinking as correctly as you should.
>> >>
>> >> They have done some pretty stupid things.
>> > 
>> > 	For instance? I think 'stupid' in this context would mean
>> > 	"things that reduced their power and influence". I don't think
>> > 	the power of the US military, which is of course the heart of
>> > 	any state, is decreasing. Quite the contrary. So, I'd describe
>> > 	as rather clever in their little brown-children-murdering game.
>> They did succeed in taking down the Soviet Union, by forcing it to
>> bankrupt itself and disappoint its population.
>You give too much credence to the USA - communism as practiced by
>Stalin's co-horts (different again from Stalinism the modern political
>ideology), is sort of like "democracy as practiced by the Western
>governments". Both were essentially fascist, certainly statist and
>And the massive internal inefficiencies, lack of motivators for those
>the top to improve efficiencies of the society overall, and other
>problems, were a very large part of the problem - Bush and Clinton
>declaring behind closed doors "fuck it, we won, we will expand NATO all
>the way to Russia's borders" is mostly just ego on the part of certain
>North Americans.
>> But I think that they've
>> consistently fucked up in the Middle East.
>> Generally, they focus too much on short-term objectives, and set
>> themselves up for eventual failure. They count too much on brute
>> force.
>The crazies from the basement are currently running this USA hegemon -
>we call them neocons or neo conservatives since they are puppets of the
>USA BISMIC - revolving doors and all that, the turbo charging of
>sociopathy. In the words of Juan, they're psycopaths! Respecting no
>sovereignty, no international law, not the rule of law, not innocence
>until proven guilty, no mutual respect for other nations, no respect
>the supreme/ultimate sovereignty of the people (any people - it's own
>North American humans or humans anywhere else on the planet).
>USA is one seriously psychopathic nation bullying the rest of the world
>at the moment and daily droning innumerable humans to death, again all
>around the world.
>Insanity incarnate.

Absolutely true. But if you think Russia destroying the hegemon will lead to some sort of Putopia, I think you are seriously deluded...  All the big nation states act essentially psychopathic, fermenting conflict, ignoring crucial shit like the fact we are cooking our planet and humanity into an early grave, etc...


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