Who owns merica's debt? (And the chinese involvement)

juan juan.g71 at gmail.com
Mon Jul 18 12:57:32 PDT 2016

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:11:01 +0300
Georgi Guninski <guninski at guninski.com> wrote:

> Who owns merica's debt? (And the chinese involvement)
> This was intended as reply to juan's reply, but deserves
> another thread.
> juan claimed the chinese are against 'merica.

	Not exactly. I am well aware that the chinese oligarchs are in
	bed with western oligarchs to...various extents. 

	I said it would be a good thing if russia/china opposed the US,
	but it's not something that's happening to any serious degree,
	I'd say.

> i thought that the chinese are the main 'merica public debt
> creditor, 

	Which means that the working chinese have been forced by their
	own government to finance the americunt-wall-street financial
	mafia. Good for goldman-sachs. Bad for Mr. Li.

> but can't find reference for this on the
> interwebz.
> Partial results:
> CNN [sic]
> http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/10/news/economy/us-debt-ownership/ | Who
> owns America's debt?
> | Donald Trump says he can "make a deal" on America's debt.
> | Last week, he implied that he could negotiate with America's
> creditors to get them to accept a lower rate of repayment, such as 85
> cents for every dollar. 
> | The top holder by far is U.S. citizens and American entities, such
> as state and local governments, pension funds, mutual funds, and the
> Federal Reserve. Together they own the vast majority -- 67.5% -- of
> the debt.

	Governments 'lending' money to themselves, which seems pretty
	absurd, simply means that they keep printing billions out of
	thin air.  Need money? Just print it! Isn't socialized banking 

> | China's share of the debt is sizable -- about 7% -- but it's hardly
> the largest holder of U.S. government bonds.
> What do you expect from 'mericuns? They are creditors of
> themselves, lol. And they "negotiate" paying less...

	Yeah, all creditors are equal, but some creditors are more
	equal than others. Some creditors are going to lose more than

> Though the chinese give mericuns virtual money, they don't mind
> stealing from them:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/15/hacker_gets_46_months_cooler_time_for_shipping_f35_f22_secrets_to_pla/
> | Chinese national Su Bin has been sentenced to 46 months jail after
> admitting his role in stealing information on the Lockheed F-22 and
> F-35 aircraft, along with Boeing's C-17 cargo plane.

	Stealing from the biggest thieves on the world? =)

> | The hacker admitted reports detailing the stolen data were sent to
> the Chinese People’s Liberation Army General Staff Headquarters.

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