Re: "Deleting WhatsApp chats doesn’t delete shit nothing."

John jnn at synfin.org
Fri Jul 29 12:59:28 PDT 2016


And signal refuses to work with my SIP number on Android 6.  Which makes it almost a non starter (that and the stated lack of adoption)..

John

On July 29, 2016 10:51:09 AM EDT, Rayzer <rayzer at riseup.net> wrote:
>On 07/28/2016 10:47 PM, Bastiani Fortress wrote:
>
>> I installed signal on my phone with some enthusiasm, but it's
>> practically useless because no one around me adopted it yet. It's sad
>> that once a "social" app dominates the market, it's very hard to get
>> people to switch to better alternatives unless there is a security
>> scandal or something. Same goes with ring...
>>
>
>Personally I think having to expose the phone number of a smartphone to
>another user to establish a chat is an incredible security risk in the
>short and long run and leads to all sorts of metadata harvesting of
>your
>unencrypted info. It appears one should keep a low-budget smartphone
>for
>that use instead of their main number for better persec. 
>
>I questioned Morgan Mayhem (Intercept's sysadmin/cybersec guy) about
>that when he broached how secure signal is (he's one of the developers)
>on his twitter feed. Never got a reply.
>
>Telegram allows the use of an @name instead of exposing your number if
>you set up an account but I'm unsure what happens when a connection is
>established and the contact is added to you contact list
>
>Rr
>
>
>
>> 4:53 AM, July 29, 2016, Rayzer <rayzer at riseup.net>:
>>
>>     Apple’s iMessage too! ("Signal leaves virtually nothing.")
>>
>>     Quote source @thegrugq, Twitter
>>     https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/758833939020521472
>>
>>     WhatsApp Forensic Artifacts: Chats Aren’t Being Deleted
>>
>>     Posted on July 28, 2016
>>
>>     Sorry, folks, while experts are saying the encryption checks out
>in
>>     WhatsApp, it looks like the latest version of the app tested
>leaves
>>     forensic trace of all of your chats, even after you’ve deleted,
>>     cleared,
>>     or archived them… even if you “Clear All Chats”. In fact, the
>only way
>>     to get rid of them appears to be to delete the app entirely.
>>
>>     To test, I installed the app and started a few different threads.
>>     I then
>>     archived some, cleared, some, and deleted some threads. I made a
>>     second
>>     backup after running the “Clear All Chats” function in WhatsApp.
>>     None of
>>     these deletion or archival options made any difference in how
>deleted
>>     records were preserved. In all cases, the deleted SQLite records
>>     remained intact in the database.
>>
>>     More, including 'How WhatsApp Can Fix This':
>>     http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=6143
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> You’re not from the Castle, you’re not from the village, you are
>> nothing. Unfortunately, though, you are something, a stranger. 

-- 
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