Electronic Freedom Foundation selective in support of freedom

Cari Machet carimachet at gmail.com
Thu Jan 7 09:37:16 PST 2016


limited hang out

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:25 AM, Cari Machet <carimachet at gmail.com> wrote:

> The @eff is pretty fucked up
>
> The anomizers history is intertwined with that of the USG
>
> I find their budgets vague
>
> They funded tor numerous times thru the years which i find strange
>
> They do no boots on the ground work that i am aware of
>
> They have been supra-nationalistic which is strange
>
> I cld go on but... yay lets all be grateful for what exsists sure YAY!
> however having a critical eye should be a main job of any one of us ... o
> whats that saying?... i cant remember .... oh yay >>> trust no one
>
> On Jan 7, 2016 1:15 AM, "Sean Lynch" <seanl at literati.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:47 PM Ryan Carboni <ryacko at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > These occurred five years apart, and only the second one involved an
>>> actual
>>> > court case. I don't think it's a reasonable comparison.
>>>
>>> Maybe not. But one must tirelessly question inconsistencies. The
>>> amount of harm to Backpage is very indirect, it was a letter to credit
>>> card companies. The EFF however is okay with a letter to a printer -
>>> the web host - to discontinue service. Comparatively, the harm to
>>> wikileaks was far greater than that to Backpage, but the EFF was more
>>> willing to support Backpage with a brief, than to volunteer support to
>>> Wikileaks.
>>>
>>
>> I think you're leaving out something kind of important in your
>> comparison. Whatever you think of the morality of what Wikileaks is doing
>> (personally, I strongly support it, even if I don't consider Julian Assange
>> the best poster child), they *are* breaking US law. Amazon's terms of
>> service don't allow that, and AIUI that's what Lieberman's (who is below
>> Satan and Eric Posner on my list of favorite people) letter said. I'm
>> guessing the circuit court would not have found that the sheriff's letter
>> to the credit card companies constituted a prior restraint on freedom of
>> speech had it been about Backpage's breaking the law.
>>
>>
>>> I have no doubt that Glenn Greenwald will never mention this,
>>> afterall, he himself is selective in questioning other public figures.
>>> He'd never question public figures in a meaningful way. And apparently
>>> neither will the EFF.
>>>
>>
>> Everyone needs to make their own choices about where they want to take
>> risks and spend their time and credibility/political capital. I'm happy
>> Greenwald and the EFF do what they do. I don't think they're perfect, but
>> I'm not one to talk; I've found myself self-censoring quite a lot more
>> since my kids were born.
>>
>>
>>> With ineffective dissidents like these, who needs oppression?
>>>
>>
>> I'd certainly prefer a world with the EFF and Greenwald but without the
>> NSA, CIA, GCHQ, etc. I'm sure you don't mean this literally, but I do think
>> it's important to keep a sense of perspective.
>>
>> If you're dissatisfied with the willingness of various dissidents to...
>> well... dissent, let's talk about how we can influence them or others to
>> dissent in ways you think will be more effective.
>>
>


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