oil supply sigint

[Mirimir]

On 12/15/2016 05:38 AM, John Newman wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 05:16:30AM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
>> On 12/15/2016 03:38 AM, John Newman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 5:24 AM, jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: John Newman <jnn at synfin.org> To: jim bell
>>>> <jdb10987 at yahoo.com> Cc: grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com>;
>>>> "cypherpunks at lists.cpunks.org"
>>>> <cypherpunks at lists.cpunks.org> Sent: Thursday, December 15,
>>>> 2016 2:00 AM Subject: Re: oil supply sigint
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:12 AM, jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote: From: John Newman <jnn at synfin.org>
>>>>> 
>>>>>> When you can build a new home with solar panels all over
>>>>>> it and tesla battery arrays in the basement to keep you
>>>>>> going at night, it's just possible to get to the point
>>>>>> where you receive a check from the utility company every
>>>>>> month, rather than a bill .... I think, and hope, this is
>>>>>> the future of power in homes. John
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Why should a house-installed solar installation use
>>>>>>> batteries at all?  Batteries are big, heavy,
>>>>>>> inefficient, have a limited lifetime, and are made of
>>>>>>> expensive and potentially toxic materials, which can
>>>>>>> sometimes explode with little or no warning.
>>>>> So you don't waste all those KW accumulated during the day.
>>>>> Modern advanced batteries (like the ones sold by tesla)
>>>>> perform quite extraordinarily well.
>>>> 
>>>> Apparently you completely misunderstood what I said.
>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think of the AC power-grid as an infinite-capacity,
>>>>>>> indefinite lifetime, virtually 100% efficient,
>>>>>>> "battery".
>>>> 
>>>>> But it's not a battery. There is lots and lots of carbon
>>>>> being burned down to keep that grid humming.
>>>> 
>>>> But a given house can treat the AC grid as if it's a
>>>> "battery".  If the solar panels generate more electricity
>>>> than the house happens to be using, they will throw the power
>>>> into the AC grid, and in effect run the meter backward.   The
>>>> power-generation systems don't have to work as hard, when
>>>> they are partly supplied by excess residential electricity
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I get that argument, but I think a person would end up saving
>>> far more money on their own electric bill if they didn't have
>>> to tap into the grid at night for their own juice. Effectively
>>> the batteries become the grid for this particular house, at
>>> night, when the sun is down ;)
>>> 
>>> And the less people tapping into the grid, the less carbon
>>> being burned at the other end....
>> 
>> See 
>> http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2016/04/slow-electricity-the-return-of-low-voltage-dc-power.html
>
>> 
> 
> Cool!

Technohippies ;)

> I feel like Tesla vs Edison keeps coming up in our current culture,
> over and over... I really dig the Nolan movie "The Prestige", btw.
> Bowie made a great Tesla :)  I haven't read the book it was based
> on, although it's supposed to be good, I have a feeling it may be
> one of those cases where the film outdoes the novel... of coures,
> thats just a feeling, since I haven't read it :P

So I've started rereading _Thirteen_. Brutal opening.

> John
>