Aaron Swartz - the real reason he was murdered

[Mirimir]

On 12/11/2016 08:09 PM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
> On 12/11/2016 08:58 PM, Mirimir wrote:
>> On 12/11/2016 07:28 PM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
>>> On 12/11/2016 08:18 PM, Mirimir wrote:
>>>> So, as with any troll, it's best to ignore him. Rather than call for
>>>> moderation, why not just filter his messages? I would never have seen
>>>> this, except that Ceci redacted his name. So why should I care what Z_n
>>>> or other trolls write to this list? I can't control their speech, and I
>>>> believe that attempting it would be immoral.
>>>
>>> Because the list as a whole is devalued by the continued lack of
>>> moderation. This is not whitesupremistneonazipunks, this is cypherpunks.
>>> I am not challenging his freedom of speech, but this is not the forum
>>> for that. It would be perfectly on-topic for a neo-nazi or KKK list.
>>> That is not this list!
>>
>> I get your concern. Naive users, coming across these messages through
>> search sites, might get a bad impression. But please consider that
>> freedom and autonomy are key cypherpunk values. Along with technical
>> competence. So the best outcome is helping people manage unmoderated
>> lists on their own, without reliance on centralized control.
> 
> I disagree completely. It's like leaving a few people to do litter
> patrol when you have old refrigerators, tires, and abandoned cars being
> dumped daily. It's just not going to work.

Well, the Internet is loaded with such things. Many of them include
IEDs. So some spam here hardly seems worth so much angst.

>> Also, please consider that causing grief is the key goal for trolls. And
>> consider how forcing an ideologically unmoderated list to moderate
>> itself would be _such_ a fucking win for Z_n. No?
> 
> It would be the same as police surveillance on a known dumping ground to
> catch the people dumping garbage there. Honestly, I fail to see how a
> list that's free of racist, neo-Nazi garbage isn't a win for the Rest Of Us.

But don't cypherpunks prototypically hate police surveillance?

Sacrificing core values for convenience is unwise, no?