reason vs. rationalization

John Newman jnn at synfin.org
Mon Dec 5 04:12:20 PST 2016


> On Dec 5, 2016, at 12:14 AM, juan <juan.g71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 23:43:39 -0500
> Steve Kinney <admin at pilobilus.net> wrote:
> --
> 
>> odd.  I thought the task of "true philosophy" was to evaluate
>> the internal consistency of logical statements, in a context where
>> physical evidence or relevance to material situations is not
>> considered.
>    
>    No it isn't. You don't know what philosophy means. Hardly
>    surprising coming from a supporter of theocratic fraud, or a
>    sworn enemy of truth, like you.
> 
> 
>> Or is that mathematics?  
> 
>    It isn't mathematics either. But thanks for showing you know
>    fuck about mathematics as well.
> 
> 
>> The barrier between the two gets
>> a bit fuzzy when Goedel's work
> 
> 
>    Pseudo intellectual charlatan trying to look cool by invoking
>    a 'well known' pseudo intellectual charlatan


Wait - how is Goedel a "pseudo intellectual charlatan"? 
Because he believed in God? 
His personal religious beliefs, as misguided as they may have been, don't discount his body of work. 



> 
> 
>> gets dragged in, proving that proofs
>> prove nothing.
>> 
>> Rationalization normally means arguing backward toward a preconceived
>> conclusion, in a process where logical contradictions and discarding
>> or misrepresenting physical data are permissible - usually to justify
>> or prove arbitrary and/or emotionally motivated propositions.  That
>> seems very much like philosophy to me.
> 
>    No stupid piece of shit. What you are describing is
>    jew-kristianity. 
> 
>    Philosophy, as it name implies, is the search of
>    truth/knowledge prompted by a love of truth/knowldege. 
> 
>    A love of knowledge is exactly what apologists of
>    jew-kristianity lack since their whole 'worldview' is built
>    around the most stupid lies ever.
> 
> 
> 
>> On the other hand, the task of science
> 
>    Intelectual frauds babbling about science. This list is really
>    something.
> 
> 
> 
> is to test well defined
>> assertions about physical processes by attempting to falsify them with
>> observational data or experimental results contradicting those
>> assertions.  Where does hitching "reason" to the material world get
>> you?  Bang, zoom, to the Moon, Alice!
>> 
>> :o)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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