oil supply sigint

Mirimir mirimir at riseup.net
Thu Dec 15 04:16:30 PST 2016


On 12/15/2016 03:38 AM, John Newman wrote:
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>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 5:24 AM, jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> From: John Newman <jnn at synfin.org>
>> To: jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com> 
>> Cc: grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com>; "cypherpunks at lists.cpunks.org" <cypherpunks at lists.cpunks.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 2:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: oil supply sigint
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>>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:12 AM, jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> From: John Newman <jnn at synfin.org>
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>>>> When you can build a new home with solar panels all over it and tesla battery
>>>> arrays in the basement to keep you going at night, it's just possible to get to
>>>> the point where you receive a check from the utility company every month, rather than a bill ....
>>>> I think, and hope, this is the future of power in homes. 
>>>> John
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>>>>> Why should a house-installed solar installation use batteries at all?  Batteries are big, heavy, inefficient, have a limited lifetime, and are made of expensive and potentially toxic materials, which can sometimes explode with little or no warning.
>>> So you don't waste all those KW accumulated during the day. Modern advanced batteries (like the ones sold by tesla) perform quite extraordinarily well.
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>> Apparently you completely misunderstood what I said.
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>>>>> I think of the AC power-grid as an infinite-capacity, indefinite lifetime, virtually 100% efficient, "battery".   
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>>> But it's not a battery. There is lots and lots of carbon being burned down to keep that grid humming.
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>> But a given house can treat the AC grid as if it's a "battery".  If the solar panels generate more electricity than the house happens to be using, they will throw the power into the AC grid, and in effect run the meter backward.   The power-generation systems don't have to work as hard, when they are partly supplied by excess residential electricity
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> I get that argument, but I think a person would end up saving far more money on their own electric bill if they didn't have to tap into the grid at night for their own juice. Effectively the batteries become the grid for this particular house, at night, when the sun is down ;)
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> And the less people tapping into the grid, the less carbon being burned at the other end....

See
http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2016/04/slow-electricity-the-return-of-low-voltage-dc-power.html

>>>             Jim Bell
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