LTE in Wi-Fi bands

[wirelesswarrior at Safe-mail.net]

A counter to this is to use SDR to enable WiFi mesh nets to use the LTE spectrum.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Nymble <nymble at gmail.com>
Apparently from: cypherpunks-bounces at cpunks.org
To: "cypherpunks at cpunks.org" <cypherpunks at cpunks.org>
Subject: LTE in Wi-Fi bands
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:52:09 -0700

> Cells phones in 2016 will start to use Wi-Fi bands for LTE: 
> 	http://goo.gl/s2Vsrz
> There goes our free use of spectrum.  There has been no adiquate effort by Qualcomm to demonstrate that LTE-U will compete fairly for band usage against Wi-Fi.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Aug 18, 2015, at 11:52 PM, Peter Fairbrother <peter at m-o-o-t.org> wrote:
> > 
> > On 18/08/15 19:23, jim bell wrote:
> >> *From:* Peter Fairbrother <peter at m-o-o-t.org>
> >> 
> >> *Subject:* Re: Recommended Movie: "Sebastian" 1968.
> >> 
> >> On 18/08/15 03:46, jim bell wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >> Since people seem to be recommending things, I recommend the movie
> >> >> "Sebastian".  Dirk Bogarde, Susannah York.
> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIK3OYnD9MY
> >> 
> >> >> Out of date even when it was made, I think it really represents the
> >> >> cryptography situation as of the 1930's.
> >> 
> >> >Based on a screenplay by Leo Marks - author of Between Silk and Cyanide:
> >> >A Codemaker's War 1941-1945.
> >> >Essential reading. Leo was the codemaker for SOE. All hand ciphers and
> >> >agents.
> >> >He wasn't at Bletchley - who called him "the one who got away" - though,
> >> >and so no machine ciphers.
> >> >The Silk in the title was for OTPs which could be hidden in clothing
> >> >from Gestapo/SS searches.
> >> >As I said, essential reading.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> The tv show 60 Minutes spilled the beans about Enigma in 1975.
> >> http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/the-ultra-secret/
> > 
> > 
> > Not sure that was the one to spill the beans. I thought it was Winterbotham's 1974 book of the same name which first got the idea across to the public; though there was a French book in 1973 as well.
> > 
> > Like Winterbotham's book, which the TV show seems to be based on, it's also a bit confused and/or inaccurate. Much of what they tell - the conversations between Hitler and his generals, "knowing Hitler's most secret thoughts", and Hitler's message re Anzio which Gen Clark read - came from the breaking of the Lorentz SZ40, not the Enigma. Colossus, not Bombe.
> > 
> > And the Coventry story is fiction [1]. Churchill could not have been told the target from ULTRA decrypts. The ULTRA decrypts are now available in public records, and they do not mention Coventry.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [1] My theory: Probably it began as a story made up to impress the need to keep the ULTRA secret - "hey if the man at the door with the revolver who just threatened to shoot you doesn't impress you, Churchill allowed [2] the bombing of Coventry in order to keep the secret".
> > 
> > Later the story became an accusation, then a rumour, then a play - though by the time it became a play it was becoming obvious that ULTRA wasn't involved, and the motive for allowing the bombing changed to "Impressing the Americans" [3].
> > 
> > I can easily imagine someone telling Winterbotham the story (Winterbotham was the one who first told the Coventry story in public).
> > 
> > I can also imagine Winterbotham repeating the story, in confidence, in order to impress the listener with the need to keep the secret (and with W himself) so often that he didn't know whether it was true or not (he didn't claim to be personally involved).
> > 
> > Good story, and Churchill was probably capable of it - but it ain't true.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [2] not that there was anything he could have done to stop the bombing, but for the sake of the narrative ..
> > 
> > 
> > [3] requiring an even wilder suspension of belief, IME
> > 
> > 
> >> What most people didn't realize was that the controversy was due to the
> >> fact that rotor-driven cipher machines had been continued to be sold in
> >> the post-WWII era, without their weakness being recognized.  This
> >> allowed the CIA/GCHQ to continue to decrypt enciphered messages for
> >> decades afterwards.
> > 
> > 
> > Yes - but Leo Marks wasn't involved in that. He ~ stopped being a cryptographer when SOE was broken up at the end of the war.
> > 
> > What he did was hand ciphers, for agents in occupied countries - they couldn't carry cipher machines.
> > 
> > There is nothing else like Between Silk and Cyanide in the crypto literature. Crypto at the cutting edge, where a mistake is a painful death, and likely worse.
> > 
> > More, it is about how a cryptographer and his work interact with the world.
> > 
> > I would not like to have been Leo (I met him once), but hell if I don't respect him.
> > 
> > There is a TV documentary about him, called "A Very British Psycho" - an apt title.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- Peter Fairbrother