Shiny stuff and designer societies

[Shelley]

On October 30, 2015 6:08:40 AM Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net> wrote:

> On 10/29/15, Lodewijk andré de la porte <l at odewijk.nl> wrote:
> > Thanks Juan :)
> > 2015-10-29 20:56 GMT+01:00 Juan <juan.g71 at gmail.com>:
> >> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 16:19:29 +0100
> >> Lodewijk andré de la porte <l at odewijk.nl> wrote:
> >> > Juan:
>
> >> > That is to say, a mixed economy. Again.
> >> > > mercantilism/fascim/state socialism/state communism.
> >> >
> >> > I think some products are best rendered without competition, and some
> >> > are best rendered with competition.
> >>
> >>         I think your baseless, economically ignorant opinions are just
> >>         that. Baseless and ignorant.
> >>
> >>         Plus, you thik you have the 'right' to force people to conform
> >>         to your 'utopia'. Do you mind explaining how you acquired that
> >> 'right'?
> >>         <----fundamental question.
> >>
> >>         Do you mind answering fundamental questions?
> >
> > Well, atm I'm still dreaming up the utopia. So far I have no convertees,
> > either :)
>
> Indeed.
>
> > I have the right because I can.
>
> Sure.
>
> I have the right to intimately engage your skull with a hammer,
> because I can. That would be a predatorial right, sociopathic, mad,
> evil etc (not to mention illegal in our Western democratic system),
> -and- there's nothing in such an experience, i.e. exercise of said
> predatorial right, which I would want; so, you can confidently trust
> this would never happen :)
>
> But not everyone thinks like me. You see, some people think like you.
>

Yes, yes: this.  This.

Can I just exhibit obnoxious netiquette and +1 your entire reply?  You've 
said it all very well and with more eloquence than I can muster.

-S

P.S. Thank you for your other thoughtful reply.

P.P.S. Fuckity fuck fucking fuck x over 9,000 ;)



> > Powers *are* rights.
>
> Sort of: power suggests capacity, and capacity or ability implies a
> natural right. A natural right, is that right which exists by your
> natural capacity, or as you said "because I can".
>
> I have natural rights to move, to communicate, to associate, to
> breathe, to survive, to predate.
>
> Some people really struggle with the reality of that last one. Yes, it
> can be confronting. As a good friend of mine Malcolm says, the lion
> has a predatorial right over the gazelle.
>
>
> > Or, rather, rights do
> > not exist until a criminal monopoly invents justice,
>
> Now that's one fucked up statement. You are possibly referring to
> "statutory" rights, or simply to domination "you pay me for
> protection, and I shall let you continue to sell hot dogs."  The mafia
> exercises many variations on the predatorial right to dominate others.
>
> Our demoncratic governments school us to believe that government
> exercise of power over us, i.e. dominating us, is in our "best
> interest" - it is in your best interest to pay protection tax, to pay
> mafia highway robbery road tolls (which go to banks, most often for
> roads already paid for), to lose your "license" priviledge to drive/
> travel/ survive (go to work) within your society.
>
>
> > and grants people a
> > promise of abstaining from using power; a right.
>
> Time to start typing less, with more thought put into each part of
> each sentence, to produce a greater quality result. Perhaps brief up
> on axiomatic logic.
>
>
> > IIRC you have this philosophy of inalienable rights, or natural rights, or
> > rights you would always claim, whatever. It doesn't matter. If you haven't
> > the power to claim a right, you do not have it. Ask the pigs, cows,
> > rabbits, ferrits, birds, and all the other animals we do whatever we want
> > to. Ask the mountains thought to have spirits. Listen to them and you will
> > hear but weeping for lack of strength.
> >
> > Ofc, I'm the asshole for saying this.
>
> Your heart is heard. Stay true to that which inspires you. Yes there
> is much that is grave and wrong in the world today. Let's do the best
> we can to understand our programming and so take a step towards
> understanding and the possibility of exercising a worthy authority
> arising within our hearts.
>
> Peace,
> Zenaan
>