Shiny stuff and designer societies (addenda)

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 10/30/15, Shelley <shelley at misanthropia.org> wrote:
> On October 29, 2015 5:35:15 PM Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net> wrote:
>> On 10/29/15, Shelley <shelley at misanthropia.org> wrote:
>> > On October 29, 2015 11:17:05 AM Lodewijk andré de la porte
>> > <l at odewijk.nl>
>> > wrote:
>> >> I'm sorry, but there's only so much one will do with disregard of
>> >> self.
>> >
>> > That speaks volumes of your character.
>>
>> I read Lodewijk's comment as a generalised statement on the current
>> predominant nature of 'Western' (perhaps all) people. As in "how
>> things are" not "how I am and how I want the world to be".
>>
>> Character attack is sometimes not be in the interests of constructive
>> dialogue.
>
> I said it spoke volumes of his character; kind of up to the reader to
> decide what that is, eh?
>
> I'm not intentionally attacking his character.  I think it was an
> expression of cumulative exasperation.

Indeed, and I also read a sense of exasperation or at least
resignation in "there's only so much one will do with disregard of
self." Even if that -was- an expression of personal position, it's a
damn sight better than the sociopaths in the seats of "demoncratic"
power.


> It feels as though we are speaking
> from different dimensions; just not connecting.
>
> I was also really busy when I wrote that.  I should be more cognizant; it's
> difficult enough to convey ideas across the ether as it is.

:)

Don't stress about it. Some conversations go smoothly, others less so.
Everyone brings their viewpoint, and most bring a genuinely good
intention, even if their instances of "XX is a given" are different to
yours. Even CIA apologists have a mentally justified world view, and I
found it uniquely interesting to engage with that think or mental
nature, a while back - and yes, I very nearly spat fire and brimstone.
I think the only thing saving me was learning to embrace my inner
bitch.


>> Inspiration for a 'better' world is a good thing. Resignation over the
>> current world is a common thing. Finding a point of compassion in our
>> conversations with each other is something I have failed at too many
>> times.
>
> Another reason why you've rarely seen me comment in the political threads.

How about a vote - let's be gentle with each other's resignation. Then
we can all leap into our attempts to express that which is important
to us, without getting upset when we fail to hit our mark of clarity
or succinctity, or when others fail to hit our expectation of
response.

We are schooled to be right, to get the gold star, the stamp of
approval, the right to be condescending towards those who "fail" to be
"top of the class" or even fail to just be "correct". Are you smelling
a human programming program here? Let's shake off our deep schooling
(programming) and start educating ourselves how to be genuine. How to
simply be. Be what and who we are. Be satisifed, at peace. Then
perhaps we can be satisfied with others just as they are (WHOAH! don't
get too deep now!)


> Misanthropia needs to work on her communication skills, imagine that :)
> -Shelley


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Peace,


Zenaan









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