Snowden on the Twitters

Razer Rayzer at riseup.net
Wed Oct 7 09:59:39 PDT 2015



On 10/06/2015 03:25 PM, rysiek wrote:


See my just posted response to "Juan's Vision". The middleman OPERATES A
CENTRALIZED MARKET they expect others to participate in. "Anarchist
Economics 101" doesn't remove them. It points to the fact we don't NEED
them. People that want to profit over other people need them, but
individuals do not have to cooperate ... until the middlemen conspire
with 'People that want to profit over other people" to hire people with
guns to enforce their markets.


> Dnia poniedziałek, 5 października 2015 10:10:58 Razer pisze:
>> On 10/05/2015 03:06 AM, rysiek wrote:
>>>> The middleman exists to see to it that the exchange is NOT entirely
>>>>
>>>>> voluntary, and I'm back to that bloody fantasy about Marketers and
>>>>> sales
>>>>> engineers...
>>> Are you saying that if the exchange happens *without* money, it
>>> necessarily
>>> happens *without* middlemen?
>>> Are you saying that if the exchange happens *with* money, it necessarily
>>> happens *with* middlemen?
>>>
>>> Are you saying that if the exchange happens *with* money, it necessarily
>>> *is not* entirely voluntary?
>>> Are you saying that if the exchange happens *without* money, it
>>> necessarily
>>> *is* entirely voluntary?
>> I said: "The middleman exists to see to it that the exchange is NOT entirely
>> voluntary..." (which, for a start, is why they hire or 'tempt into service
>> with future rewards from the proceeds of their position in the middle of
>> the transaction' armies of people with the biggest weapons)
>>
>> No to the first, and the rest. I made no claim whatsoever that the medium of
>> exchanges' form matters, and if you want an answer to the question YOU
>> raised I do not believe the form matters.

But then, I don't really understand. Help me out here. Where, then, are the 
middlemen? How does your remove them?



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