[cryptome] Re: Why cryptome sold web logs to their paying customers?

[Michael Best]

>
> Razer Rayzer at riseup.net
> Sun Oct 11 15:59:29 EDT 2015 10/11/2015 11:43 AM, Michael Best wrote:
> > If so, then why did he spend a week denying it, calling me a liar,
> > saying the data is fake and accusing it of being disinfo?
> Because unlike Farcebook twitter Google Apple and all the others who
> 'squealed like a pig' after Snowden's leaks, a FISA court would put JYA
> so deep in a hole no one would ever hear of his existence again. You're
> NOT ALLOWED TO EVEN MENTION that the 'suits' had been in contact, no
> less compromised your system...
> RR


That would explain keeping silent, *NOT* making up lies about me and saying
the data is fake.


On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Michael Best <themikebest at gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone stopped to think that perhaps it was on absolute purpose as a
>> warning of lack of safety on his servers due to known 'but unable to speak
>> about’ system compromise? Ie. The same fashion as a warrant canary, or what
>> have you?
>> JYA’s stance has always seemed to have been: You’re not safe, please do
>> not be deluded into believing any systems, statements, or mathematical
>> systems will always have your back. Perhaps this is just to bring it into
>> the absolute light for those too dense to grasp this mindset.
>> The above scenario would also explain his general lack of input on the
>> situation — I myself have been expecting miles and miles of (interestingly
>> grotesque almost) prose about the situation.
>> _benjamin
>>
>
> If so, then why did he spend a week denying it, calling me a liar, saying
> the data is fake and accusing it of being disinfo? And why not notify
> people on the website instead of the occasional tweet about how all logs
> leak/it's "not the worst"?
>
> And if it *was* purposeful, how is *that* okay? If he leaked four months
> worth of his users' logs and metadata including search terms, *to make a
> point*?
>
>
>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Shelley <shelley at misanthropia.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Calling bullshit. Mirimirs right, this makes no sense. And JYA says
>> netsol won't let him delete the logs but Netsol says logs are disabled by
>> default[
>> https://www.networksolutions.com/support/how-to-enable-download-the-web-logs/]
>> and you have to turn them on.
>> So how the fuckd this really happen?
>> I truly don't know.  I don't have any more info than anyone else, I was
>> just musing about how it could have happened.  Obviously, hearing  JY's
>> explanation would be the best thing.
>> Also agree re: the /var/log issue, but I get the impression that the
>> restored files weren't kept in the normal file tree structure.  Again, I
>> simply don't know and I'm not trying to be an overt JY apologist - I'm just
>> saying sometimes, shit happens.  It would help if he would weigh in instead
>> of having dorks like me positing hypotheticals.
>> -S
>>
>> Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net>
>> Are you arguing that users could have found those logs?
>> I almost can't imagine that. Logs are normally in /var/log/ somewhere,
>> and I can't imagine making them searchable. And indeed, I can't imagine
>> how Cryptome archives would have included anything from /var/log/, even
>> after system restore from backups.
>> <--SNIP-->
>> > Should access logs be kept for that long? Absolutely not. From what I>
>> have read in the email exchange that was posted, the log files were>
>> included in a NetSol total restore. My guess is that John/Cryptome did> not
>> intentionally keep these files, and did not realize these files were>
>> included in the archive.
>> But that's the thing. Logs should have been in /var/log/. And how would
>> the "NetSol total restore" have changed that?
>> > When I do incremental backups or updates on my own systems, I don't>
>> usually go back and check the integrity of files I've already archived> in
>> my closed system. I can see where this could be an honest mistake> that has
>> gotten blown way out of proportion. It's a good lesson to be> more aware of
>> these types of glitches.
>> I still don't get how logs would have ended up in archives. Maybe JYA
>> prepared a special set of archives for a collaborator. Maybe for someone
>> helping him to understand what had happened. And then maybe he forgot
>> about doing that. Hard to say.
>>
>>
>>
>> On October 11, 2015 10:14:15 AM "Dr. J Feinstein" <drjfeinstein at mail.com>
>> wrote:
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