The GCHQ Cryptome slide could be a mockup/disinfo

[Shelley]

On October 8, 2015 1:19:58 PM Travis Biehn <tbiehn at gmail.com> wrote:

[Snip]

> There's one message:
> Whatever is technically possible will happen. It will continue to happen,
> whether they be your government, someone else's government a corporation
> that handles your data or by criminals.
>
> Build systems that are secure from what is technically possible; not
> because you've deleted the logs - but because there is no data to grab.
>
> -Travis

On that much, we are in agreement.

 > I am amused by the theory that this is all an elaborate troll, in 10 years
> Snowden will declare he personally made it up in one epic last disclosure,
> with a dickbutt on the last slide.

Dickbutt, heh.  Snowden was probably a /b/tard too, would claim it was all 
for the epic lulz.

-Shelley



>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Shelley <shelley at misanthropia.org> wrote:
>
> > On October 8, 2015 10:44:02 AM Travis Biehn <tbiehn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Who cares about these personalities and their websites? Who cares if JYA is
> >> jerk/whacko/nerd/wizard mage?
> >> You should assume he is an attacker, just like everyone else.
> >>
> >> Getting caught up in this he-said-she-said is totally, ultimately,
> >> absurdly
> >> pointless.
> >>
> >> Who cares about cryptome keeping server logs? If you're worried about
> >> showing up in logs then you ought to be using TAILS. JYAs logs are just
> >> less accurate copies of what the TLAs, his hosting provider, their
> >> upstream
> >> peers, the guys on the lower floor at the PX & the memory scrapers
> >> implanted on his server already keep.
> >>
> >> -Travis
> >>
> >
> > You're right about the privacy aspect, but still missing the entire point.
> >
> > I don't care about showing up in server logs, although my personal
> > security practices are much different now than they were six years ago.  I
> > may have spotted my own information in the data, and I might be able to
> > prove it (the Palm Pre is in a box 'o bits & crap somewhere.)
> >
> > The bigger picture is not why Cryptome appears to be distributing old log
> > files, but validity of the GHCQ slide in question.  That's why all the data
> > is being put up for scrutiny, and we are losing sight of the importance of
> > it with all the noise.
> >
> > Doesn't matter if JY is a fed asset.  Doesn't matter if Best is a troll
> > with a personal vendetta against JY/Cryptome (neither of which I believe to
> > be true, but still.)
> >
> > A slide was presented as being part of the Snowden dump.  A researcher has
> > shown that with these log files, anyone could have made this slide.  This
> > is a Big Fucking Deal with possibly numerous implications about a much
> > larger dataset.
> >
> > Forget about who is saying what and just look at the data and draw your
> > own conclusions.  We are better than this.
> >
> > -Shelley
> >
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 1:28 PM, John Young <jya at pipeline.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Mike Best should keep digging, hardly scratched the surface of yards
> >> > way too fenced by secrecy.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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