Snowden on the Twitters

[Juan]

On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 13:04:24 +0200
rysiek <rysiek at hackerspace.pl> wrote:

> Dnia piątek, 2 października 2015 17:00:42 Juan pisze:
> > 	You know, the first requirement to win an argument is to
> > pick the right side. And statism isn't the right side of the
> > 	argument.
> 
> I am not arguing for nor against statism.

	Really. 


> I am voiving my opinion
> that regardless of how we call it, there *will* be
> structure/hierarchy sooner or later in any "sociely" you want to
> build.

	Oh OK. Just a wrong and unfounded opinion.



> 
> > 	re : 'division of power' - the incentives for people who
> > have power lead them to COOPERATE to maintain or gain more power,
> > not to 'check' each other's power. ABC of economics.
> 
> Cool, show me a better, more workable model, and I'm happy to roll
> with it.

	I thought you were not arguing for statism? And yet you
	copypasted a statist slogan and now you think you are mocking
	me because I showed that your statist slogan is...just that,
	empty propaganda. 

	What you said about division of power IS bullshit. If you are
	not arguing for statism, then go ahead and acknowledge that
	your/the statist slogan is bullshit.
 


> 
> > > etc)
> > > and build upon them or try implementing them in a more functional
> > > way, or... go the "ignore it altogether" route, end up reinventing
> > > the wheel, and arriving at a not-all- that-functional variation
> > > of it.
> > 
> > 	So, you are willing to 'cooperate' with the current
> > criminals and justify them while accusing a bunch of anarchist of
> > 'maybe' doing something that goes against their principles?
> 
> Who said anything about cooperation? I was merely remarking that
> inevitably one way or the other we will land in a state-like
> organisation. Not saying it's good.


	"Who said anything about cooperation? " 

	You, of course. 

	"But we can either choose to take what we can from what seems
	to be a set of good ideas (separation of powers, checks and
	balances, etc) and build upon them or try implementing them in
	a more functional way," 


	Don't take me for an idiot rysiek. 



J.