[FORGED] Re: UK To Ban Crypto In Devices, Email And More

Juan juan.g71 at gmail.com
Sat Nov 7 22:36:43 PST 2015

On Sun, 8 Nov 2015 15:02:46 +1100
Joseph Gentle <me at josephg.com> wrote:

> >         LMAO
> >
> >         http://readwrite.com/2014/07/23/apple-ios-backdoor-acknowledgement-support-document
> Got anything more recent than July 2014? 

	I don't, though I didn't bother checking. July 2014 isn't too
	ancient anyway. 

> Apple has been claiming far
> and wide that from iOS 8 even they cannot access the data stored on a
> locked device without a password:
> http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/09/17/apple-says-incapable-of-decrypting-user-data-with-ios-8-even-for-government-agencies

	Oh, if they so then it must be true =) 

> All three APIs listed in that readwrite article require access to
> services via USB, which require a device the phone trusts and (I
> think) for the device to be unlocked. I would be quite surprised if it
> turned out that apple really can decrypt data for the government on
> locked devices. They've been quite public about this policy, and
> they've claimed they can't access said data under oath. Its also a
> fantastic strategic move for them to fight off android - given
> google's business model it'll be impossible for android to follow
> suit.
> I am about 90-95% confident that there aren't any intentional holes in
> iOS through which apple can read data thats only stored on my device.

	Well, I'm 100% confident that a company like apple is not to be

> (I recently switched from android to iOS for this reason.)

	Good luck. Out of the fire into the frying pan =P

> >> than nearly a quarter century of
> >> PGP has, because they've made it usable by the masses.
> >>
> >
> >         and the proof for that claim is, where?
> It was very impressive for its time but what impact has PGP *actually*
> made? You seem like a sufficiently paranoid human who knows about PGP,
> knows what it does and you're technically capable of installing it and
> using it. So tell me - how many encrypted emails do you send and
> receive with PGP?

	Very few. However, as far as I know, people who need to
	encrypt stuff that the government isn't supposed to read, say
	people buying and selling 'illegal' drugs, use p/gpg not

> I think PGP's legacy is that it started a conversation around crypto
> and privacy. But as a *product* it was a complete failure. I mean, it
> doesn't even protect metadata.

	Well, it's a client-side encryption tool. Nobody can 'encrypt'
	the fact that he sent or received mail. PGP is not a mix

	And does a company like apple which collects information about
	hundreds of millions of people protect 'metadata' better? 

	Anyway, to expect the likes of apple to actually oppose the
	government (that is to say their partners) is naive at best,
	in my opinion. 

> -J
> >
> >> Peter.
> >

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