[Decrypted] Re: UK To Ban Crypto In Devices, Email And More

Razer Rayzer at riseup.net
Sun Nov 8 10:25:13 PST 2015



On 11/07/2015 06:54 PM, Joseph Gentle wrote:
> And yet even most email on this list isn't encrypted.

Why would I want to do that? It sort of defeats the purpose of a public
listserv.

RR

> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Peter Gutmann <pgut001 at cs.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
>> Joseph Gentle <me at josephg.com> writes:
>>
>>> Industry grade crypto has existed for years, but things like PGP being simply
>>> *inconvenient* has resulted in it having virtually no adoption. The big threat
>>> to pervasive surveillance isn't pgp, its companies like apple and whatsapp
>>> bringing that technology to the masses.
>> That's a good point actually.  In my enormous to-read pile I've got "Why
>> Johnny Still Can't Encrypt", and that's from fifteen years after the original
>> paper on PGP's unusability was published.  It's scary to think that companies
>> like Apple have done more to protect us from intrusive government surveillance
>> than nearly a quarter century of PGP has, because they've made it usable by
>> the masses.
>>
>> Peter.
> Exactly.
>
> Snowden: “Encryption works. Properly implemented strong crypto systems
> are one of the few things that you can rely on.". And yet even most
> email on this list isn't encrypted.
>
> The cat and mouse game of security is fun and technically challenging.
> But if you want to actually stop global attackers like the NSA, the
> problem isn't that we don't have good enough crypto. Its that barely
> anybody in our community also knows how to make pleasant, usable
> software. We need more software like Signal (TextSecure). Not because
> of its rad ratcheting OTR, but because I can get my partners to use it
> without having to spend an hour explaining asymmetric key cryptography
> first.
>
> -J




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