Anarchist roads and free travel

intelemetry intelemetry at openmailbox.org
Mon Nov 2 15:38:11 PST 2015



Zenaan Harkness:
> Beginner anarchist alert. Wanting to get a better understanding of
> possible outcomes.
> 
> On 11/1/15, intelemetry <intelemetry at openmailbox.org> wrote:
>> Democracy is the tyranny of the majority, and assassination politics
>> is dangerous in that regard when they are coupled. Private arbitration
>> agreements with private security forces wherein mobility has
>> reciprocal agreements (similar to current travel) seems more reasonable.
> 
> How would we handle road-building rent-seekers (i.e. those who would
> collect tax/ rent for travel) - i.e. at the moment in Australia banks
> give loans to private companies to build roads, which by illegal
> (unconstitutional) contracts, massive rents/ taxes over many decades,
> are collected from the population?
>

Toll roads. Pay for what you use.

Bank at Nugen-Hand if you want privacy:

	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nugan_Hand_Bank

> How would the idea of "all have a right to travel anonymously and
> absolutely freely (free from tax, free from arbitrary punishment)" be
> manifested in a political anarchy country?
> 

There is no "right to anonymity" in anarcho-capitalism. If there is a
market for privacy then it will be met proportional to the demand.

> How do we manifest a community wide idea of free travel (implying a
> majority interest in infrastructure built and provided at cost) with
> the freedom of "rent seekers" and "land owners/ infrastructure
> builders" to "freely engage in construction and contract with
> travelers upon the roads"?
> 

Talk to John Gilmore. Just kidding. An anarchocapitalist would disagree
that travel should necessarily be free. The second answer regarding
"engaging in construction and contract": an entrepreneur builds a toll
road and runs it as a business. Part of the initial investment is the
contracting with land owners. Or call yourself the state and steal the
land.

> Is this a prisoner's dilemma?

You are number 6.

> Although all our roads in Australia were free from "all evil tolls"
> for much of a century, the rent seekers corrupted our politicians with
> much greese, and now road tolls pop up all over the country. How would
> political anarchism not "degrade" to the power of financial corruption
> in a similar way as our demoncratic governments?
> 

The notion that tolls are "evil" is a misnomer. In the context of the
state it is potentially an additional tax. But paying to use a private
road is not evil in nature.

> ---
> In Australia, our "democratic powers/ goverment" have facilitated
> illegal contracts and multi decade rent seekers to tax the population
> on roads already paid for by the government.
> 
> Notwithstanding that the jetsons era may make the question of roads
> per se less relevant over time, this question in my mind arises
> regarding political anarchism and what is termed 'natural monopolies',
> in this specific thread, roads.
> 
> The Great Charter, or Magna Carta/ Charter, proscribes that there
> shall "be no evil tolls" - which means no travel checkpoints requiring
> fee payment, i.e. tax collection at point of passing, commonly today
> called "road tolls" (at least in Australia). This was to protect
> merchants against the taxing intention, and it is a given that this
> also includes those not engaging in commerce but still traveling.
> 
> Here in Australia not only do we have the present day continuation of
> the Magna Carta and the English Bill of Rights (and many other
> Imperial Statutes) active within the jurisdictions of our states
> (although most people are not aware of this, the courts and
> legislation are aware of it) we also have Section 92 of our federal
> constitution which states "trade commerce and intercourse [travel]
> amongst the states, shall be absolutely free", which interpretation is
> open to some debate in political circles despite how it reads to the
> common man.
> 
> In Australia the Imperial Statutes are firmly entrenched thanks to:
> - The Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act (our federal
> constitution) which invokes the Crown;
> - The Imperial Acts Application Act (respectively, in each state, such
> as New South Wales, Victoria, etc);
> - The Australia High Court (our highest court) rulings of Mabo and in
> particular Mabo 2 (I think 1999).

There's always neurocam.

> 
> Despite what ought be protection, our demoncratic parliaments have
> sold our roads to the highest bidder, which in our case is nearly
> always Macquarie Bank.

This is neocorporatism. When the state fixes an auction you don't have a
free market.

> 
> Zenaan
> 



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