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Sun Nov 1 05:22:21 PST 2015

sorry the video is of a friend of michael hastings that is a real person
and talks about murder/war shit in the real

he was in afghanistan with michael i think

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Cari Machet <carimachet at gmail.com> wrote:

> also the dude is just replacing the state with capitalism and anarcho
> capitalism is bullshit anarchy is against any that is any any any structure
> impossing its structure on the people and fucking capitalism is a structure
> so anarco capitalists should rename themselves
>
> the dude talks about that the community the community would not allow this
> or that if someone stole your tv the community would not allow you to just
> go in the dudes hut and take it back - you need an intermediary ... but
> this is monolithic thinking ... which is a pit in theories ... they
> strangle themselves with coffinesque solutions instead of being base theory
>
> ++++++++++
>
> so fucking blackwater has been doing this shit for a while now ... gun for
> hire and what i am not reading here is any consciousness that the
> murder/war zone is a fucking hopped up place the people that perform these
> actions are getting off on
>
> https://youtu.be/zm5E10EhSp0?t=16m45s
>
> i found the place for you where he says combat is like no other drug jim
> so you dont have to listen to everything
>
> so some people get off on the murder
>
> but we have to already know that
>
> the idea behind dropping the bombs on japan was like this deterrent or
> that is what generally american people think anyway ... the japanese would
> not give an unconditional surrender yet they had surrendered
>
> all these mass murder desires need to be shifted out as i think they are
> strong entities in and of themselves apart from money the psyche is
> straight up blood lust blood thirsty fucks ... why we have blood thirsty
> fucks everywhere ??? why do people get off on murder/war like it is a drug
> ? until these mindsets are twisted out of themselves and drained of energy
> clear theory of crowd sourced assassination for deterrent cannot fully
> work... if it was like one or two crazy fucks that desired combat and
> murder to get off then that would be one thing but this is like a lot of
> fucks and even the fucking american psyche associations enjoy hurting
> people
>
> there are many fronts to work on all at the same time to shift out of all
> of this
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 12:52 PM, intelemetry <intelemetry at openmailbox.org>
> wrote:
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>> jim bell:
>> > From: intelemetry <intelemetry at openmailbox.org>
>> >
>> >> This video might help set the context:
>> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0_Jd_MzGCw 'The Market for
>> >> Security | Robert P. Murphy '
>> >
>> > - - Intelemetry
>> >
>> > I will explain to you why selecting Murphy to support any arguments
>> > you have is misguided.   Here is a paragraph from his essay, itself
>> > a response to his business partner, Robert Vroman, at:
>> > https://web.archive.org/web/20060208094246/http://www.anti-state.com/m
>> urphy/murphy17.html
>> <http://t.sidekickopen27.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XZs1qg55-N5w02yWRbBJdW8q-c7s56dVZzf3drS6C02?t=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20060208094246%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.anti-state.com%2Fmurphy%2Fmurphy17.html&si=5459291358625792&pi=f7347b6f-ecd9-48e6-c7d8-d6f5296ee855>
>> > I will first quote the whole paragraph, and then address it
>> > inline: "Simply put, I don't think Vroman or Bell realize just how
>> > nutty and horrible the AP idea seems to the average American.
>> > Especially if the government institutes a standing penalty of, say,
>> > a mandatory twenty-five years for placing an AP donation, I don't
>> > think we will have the millions of small donations that AP
>> > requires. The situation would be a prisoner's dilemma: No
>> > individual donation of $10 or even $100 is going to make the
>> > difference between a target being killed or not, and so there would
>> > be no reason for the average person to use AP. The fact that the
>> > donations could be made "safely" is not enough; the government
>> > would surely institute eavesdropping measures and would punish
>> > anyone who even visited AP sites.
>>
>> I selected Murphy because you mentioned Friedman's hard problem of
>> privatizing defense without the presence of state actors. Your
>> solution is crowdfunding assassinations of anybody who is unpopular.
>> This does fit within the paradigm of Friedman's approach.
>>
>> I would argue that Murphy's approach of collectives banding together
>> and entering into private arbitration agreements with private defense
>> contractors is more reasonable in preserving liberty and security. By
>> entering into said private arbitration agreement with a private
>> defense force, you also have aspects of private jurisprudence. The
>> arbitration clause can have stipulations for certain scenarios and how
>> they are dealt with (e.g., trials, fines, etc).
>>
>> Democracy is the tyranny of the majority, and assassination politics
>> is dangerous in that regard when they are coupled. Private arbitration
>> agreements with private security forces wherein mobility has
>> reciprocal agreements (similar to current travel) seems more reasonable.
>>
>> I would suggest you consider the countereconomics work of SEK (e.g.
>> agorism) and Vaclav Benda. Benda is an interesting case because he did
>> his work on parallel structures while under the Soviet Union.
>>
>> The conclusion was that -- in the presence of an oppressive state -- a
>> robust solution was an overlay of private and hidden societies as
>> opposed to direct overt warfare with the state.
>>
>> > My replies inline: Simply put, I don't think Vroman or Bell realize
>> > just how nutty and horrible the AP idea seems to the average
>> > American. I should point out why I view Murphy's comment as being
>> > wacky, in itself.  The "average American" is fairly familiar with
>> > the deficiencies of the world's status quo.
>>
>> I think your assumptions regarding the average American are wrong, but
>> that is my opinion. Don't underestimate the power of memetic warfare,
>> neurolinguistic programming, and general propaganda.
>>
>>  But he may not be aware that it has been estimated that in the 20th
>> century, about 250 million people DIED, killed by the actions of
>> governments.
>> http://www.evil.news/2015-10-07-national-governments-murdered-262-millio
>> n-people-over-the-last-century.html
>> <http://t.sidekickopen27.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XZs1qg55-N5w02yWRbBJdW8q-c7s56dVZzf3drS6C02?t=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.evil.news%2F2015-10-07-national-governments-murdered-262-million-people-over-the-last-century.html&si=5459291358625792&pi=f7347b6f-ecd9-48e6-c7d8-d6f5296ee855>
>>    Does Murphy impllicitly or explicitly say that is somehow "okay"?
>> I very much doubt he'd say that was acceptable, and he probably
>> couldn't argue much with the numbers themselves.  But suppose those
>> "average Americans" were FIRST fully informed of this fact, even
>> simply as an estimate.  THEN, suppose it was explained to him HOW a
>> functioning AP system wouldn't allow that to happen, if necessary by
>> killing whatever number of government employees were necessary to stop
>> this, the "Democide".   If those "average Americans" were reminded
>> that the death of a government employee is no more unfortunate than
>> the death of ordinary citizens, then wouldn't it be reasonable to
>> conclude that to save 250 million ordinary citizens, it would
>> certainly be acceptable to kill 25 million government employees, and
>> certainly 2.5 million government employees?
>> > The "average American" has been aware, during and since the 1960's,
>> > that the citizens of many major governments have been under a
>> > nuclear terror.  Now, it seems, we simply accept it as it is a
>> > reality.  As shocking as that may see, perhaps it's made more
>> > understandable by the fact that there has not seemed to be anything
>> > we can do about it. Suppose, then, these "average Americans" were
>> > told that a functioning AP system would make any nation's holding
>> > of nuclear weapons absolutely impossible:  They are in the control
>> > of SOMEONE, or maybe hundreds and thousands of someones, and such
>> > people can be targeted by AP until those weapons are finally shut
>> > down, and dismantled, and permanently rendered safe.  As many
>> > government employees could be killed until that occurs.  No limit
>> > whatsoever. So, where does Bob Murphy get off saying that the
>> > "Average American" would find AP "nutty and horrible"?  I say, to
>> > the contrary, that a _well-informed_ "average American", informed
>> > of what I say AP could accomplish, would find Murphy himself and
>> > his arguments "nutty and horrible".  Why should the citizens of the
>> > world tolerate the killing of 250 million more people by
>> > governments, beyond the 20th Century's toll?  Why should the
>> > citizens of the world tolerate continuing to be held as nuclear
>> > hostages, targets of 2000 nuclear bombs, just to keep a few
>> > governments in power?  Clearly, Murphy views the world's citizens'
>> > "natural state" to being owned and held hostage by governments, and
>> > certainly not the opposite!
>> >
>> > " Especially if the government institutes a standing penalty of,
>> > say, a mandatory twenty-five years for placing an AP donation, I
>> > don't think we will have the millions of small donations that AP
>> > requires. The situation would be a prisoner's dilemma: No
>> > individual donation of $10 or even $100 is going to make the
>> > difference between a target being killed or not, and so there would
>> > be no reason for the average person to use AP. The fact that the
>> > donations could be made "safely" is not enough; the government
>> > would surely institute eavesdropping measures and would punish
>> > anyone who even visited AP sites."
>> >
>> > Murphy, here, is beginning to show his 'inner paranoid'.  "They
>> > would never let us do it!!!"Which, is one reasons we MUST do it.
>> > I would say, to the contrary of what he said, that if "they", the
>> > governments, don't want us to do something SO MUCH, then that's all
>> > the more reason we should disregard those governments' official
>> > desires.                    Jim Bell
>> >
>>
>> There are arguably technical countermeasures to his argument. E.g. PoC:
>>
>> https://github.com/Miserlou/HitStarter
>>
>> ^^ you might get a kick out of that ^^
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
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