Basic income (was) Re: noscript is 10 years!

Nadine Earnshaw nadine at
Mon May 25 23:10:26 PDT 2015

	the one thing I always come back to when thinking about the
blockchain and how it could be used against the masses is


	if a savy government simply makes it a legal requirement to register
whichever addresses you use for business purposes or 

	personal tax reasons

	 this means that you  now find yourself only a Blockchain script
away from an annual audit and if you do transactions with non
registered addresses then what?

	follow that rabbit down the hole and you find yourself very much in
the Orwellian land of 1984


	if your starting point in life meant all the money you have ever had
was tracked how would you even get around that?

	blackmarket gold? but how do you buy it in the first place. start
buying jewellery I guess that just gets lost

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cathal (Phone)" 
To:"Troy Benjegerdes" , "grarpamp" 
Sent:Mon, 25 May 2015 18:11:03 +0100
Subject:Re: Basic income (was) Re: noscript is 10 years!

 Blind signature scheme to guarantee person:income-key correspondence
without breaking the privacy of who each represents? However, you'd
need to give each person as many signed private keys as transactions
they're likely to use each income-cycle to avoid spending-correlation

On 25 May 2015 17:46:22 GMT+01:00, Troy Benjegerdes  wrote: 

	On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 03:55:23PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
 On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 1:37 PM, John Young  wrote:
 NYT today has book review on gradual replacement of humans
 by robots, a beloved investment of those at the top, so John Deere

 Shame no one properly broke the last 3-5 messages off into a
 separate thread when it went off noscript.

 What will happen to the 7000000000 unpaid system redundancies?

We don't need the money, the money needs us, and I expect something
6,999,999,900 redundancies will suddenly find themselves with various
of basic income guarantees once the money finally figures ou! t it's
itself out of job, and realizes it needs to start giving the HCF
confinement farms) money or humans are going to stop spending it, and
my friends, would be the end of money.

What's important for this cypherpunk is to figure out how to make sure
we have
alternatives and free choice to leave the HCFs and choose among many
income systems, or make the choice to not use money at all.

Are blockchains a reasonable thing to build a basic income system on?
How do
you ensure a blockchain private key is held or controlled by only one
so that one cannot simply create many anonymous IDs and collect
several hundred
basic income guarantees? 

It seems there must be a human factor, and something that looks a lot
like a
government, but I can't quite wrap my head around how to make sure
each of
those 7e9 redunancies can only create 7e9 basic income generating
accounts, anddo a moderately good job of identifying and stopping
those that try to collect,
via force, coercion, or deceit, more than their share of basic income.

 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: text/html
Size: 4495 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <>

More information about the cypherpunks mailing list