U. S. A.! A-me-ri-cah, f--- yeah! - How to rule the world, U.S. style

[Nick Econopouly]

On 06/23, Juan wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:05:20 -0400
> Ted Smith <tedks at riseup.net> wrote:
> 
> > What's the cypherpunk link in this?
> 
> 
> 	That was part of a discussion on the nature of western
> 	governments and western propaganda. 

There was no discussion on the 'nature of western governments and
western propaganda'. There were childish arguments between apologists of
Russia, US, and anarcho-capitalism. Although it is misrepresetation to call the
USsian in the conversation an apologist.

I think members of the group would be much more receptive to the
'nature of western governments and western propaganda' as a mature
discussion. As it was, how many of these can you count?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies


> 
> 	Do you think that discussions on the nature of western
> 	governments are off-topic? Maybe banned? 
> 
As for 'censoring' these discussion, a delicate topic on a mailing list
for people who support cryptography as a way to oppose censorship, have
anonymity, etc, why don't we go with simply allowing the users to block
members if they need to on their own mail clients. This seems
compatable with the philosophies of a cypherpunk(I would guess), 'leave
the user in control'.

> 	Maybe we should instead talk about how terrible the suffering
> 	of US military murderers is?
> 
> 	paging Nick Econopouly <nickeconopouly at gmail.com>
What? You're delusional. Just because I see your fringe ideology for
what it is doesn't mean I suddenly support USA Gov or military. 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > On Thu, 2015-06-18 at 19:41 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > > http://russia-insider.com/en/hey-obama-what-about-serbias-territoral-integrity/ri8092
> > > 
> > > Summary at bottom, summarizing shifting position of "west" over
> > > some time: "So let us recount the western position:
> > >  -   It claimed to uphold the sovereignty and territorial integrity
> > > of other countries and the inviolability of borders in Europe
> > >  -   However, this did not extend to the sovereignty and the
> > > territorial integrity of Federal Yugoslavia which could be trampled
> > > at will
> > >  -   Nonetheless, albeit the territorial integrity of Federal
> > > Yugoslavia itself wasn’t worth anything, the territorial integrity
> > > of its constituent republics seeking independence was holy
> > >  -   Albeit the territorial integrity of the Yugoslav constituent
> > > republics of Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina was holy,
> > > the territorial integrity of Serbia was not
> > >  -   Albeit Slovenes, Croats and Bosnian Muslims could leave
> > > Yugoslavia, Serbs could not leave Croatia and Bosnia
> > >  -   Albeit Serbs could not leave Croatia and Bosnia, Kosovo
> > > Albanians could secede from Serbia
> > >  -   Albeit Kosovo Albanians could secede from Serbia, Kosovo Serbs
> > > could not secede from Albanian-run Kosovo
> > >  -   Albeit Kosovo could unilaterally secede from Serbia under NATO
> > > military control, Crimea could not unilaterally secede from Ukraine
> > > under Russian military control
> > > 
> > > May world be spared hunger, plague and western principles.
> > > "
> > > 
> > 
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