U. S. A.! A-me-ri-cah, f--- yeah! - How to rule the world, U.S. style

[Ted Smith]

Were this the first time I had seen something like this on the list I
would not have spoken up about it.

But this list is rapidly degenerating into being a general conspiracy
theory forum rather than a cypherpunk forum. 

This should be a collective and conscious decision, rather than
something induced by a minority of active posters.

On Tue, 2015-06-23 at 16:16 -0700, Shelley wrote:
> I'll preface this by saying that I'm not fond of censoring list topics; I 
> just skim or ignore topics/posts when they cease to interest me.
> 
> I think discussing politics and propaganda is on-topic when it regards the 
> main focus of the list.  When governments intentionally weaken encryption, 
> or threaten to/ actually pass draconian laws that directly affects the work 
> we endeavour to do.  Censorship, even, because we need to help reroute 
> people around those blocks to get their messages out and essential info in.
> 
> The pointless droning on about how much the USA and what it does sucks- and 
> it does suck!- can become old.  I know it's tempting because there are a 
> lot of people here who agree, but there are other listservs better suited 
> for it.
> 
> Not meant to be a personal attack on anyone; I don't have a problem with 
> any of you & I find it easy to scroll past that which doesn't interest me.  
> Sometimes I'll even see a point of view I hadn't considered, even if the 
> item in question isn't quite on-topic. Not everyone feels the same, though.
> 
> -S
> 
> 
> ----------
> On June 23, 2015 3:34:36 PM Juan <juan.g71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:09:01 -0700
> > Shelley <shelley at misanthropia.org> wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > What Cathal said.
> > >
> > > (And I'm saying it as someone extremely critical of my own government
> > > and who rarely passes up an opportunity to make it known.)
> >
> >
> > 	So? What are you objecting to, then?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > On June 23, 2015 2:37:24 PM "Cathal (Phone)"
> > > <cathalgarvey at cathalgarvey.me> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Propaganda is on-topic only insofar as it explores cointelpro,
> > > > persona management, etc: not strictly crypto, but subversive and
> > > > political (ab)uses of communications technology.
> > > >
> > > > And, while we're on the subject, I suspect much of this
> > > > pro-anything-not-West crap is likely to be just that: cointelpro to
> > > > discredit the genuine content and discourage
> > > > subscription/participation by a wider audience.
> >
> >
> >
> > 	Oh yes. I'm anti west agent on the payroll of? Putin? The
> > 	chinese? Or?
> >
> > 	It's quite funny though how a clown like cathal thinks he gets
> > 	to decide what is and what isn't on topic...
> >
> >
> > 	"discredit the genuine content"
> >
> > 	So, WHERE is the GENUINE content guys? Is it the stuff that dan
> > 	geer, tim beelen, the tor apologists and the like post?
> >
> > 	Or is it something else. Links please?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 

-- 
Sent from Ubuntu
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