U. S. A.! A-me-ri-cah, f--- yeah! - How to rule the world, U.S. style

Shelley shelley at misanthropia.org
Tue Jun 23 15:09:01 PDT 2015


+1

What Cathal said.

(And I'm saying it as someone extremely critical of my own government and 
who rarely passes up an opportunity to make it known.)

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On June 23, 2015 2:37:24 PM "Cathal (Phone)" <cathalgarvey at cathalgarvey.me> 
wrote:

> Propaganda is on-topic only insofar as it explores cointelpro, persona 
> management, etc: not strictly crypto, but subversive and political (ab)uses 
> of communications technology.
>
> And, while we're on the subject, I suspect much of this 
> pro-anything-not-West crap is likely to be just that: cointelpro to 
> discredit the genuine content and discourage subscription/participation by 
> a wider audience. It's pretty effective, I think.
>
> On 23 June 2015 21:51:19 GMT+01:00, Ted Smith <tedks at riseup.net> wrote:
> >I certainly think that geopolitics is not in general on topic for this
> >list.
> >
> >"Western governments" and "western propaganda" also don't seem to me to
> >be on topic for this list. This is not a list about propaganda or
> >governance.
> >
> >Since this list is unmoderated, I am sharing my discontent in the hopes
> >of demotivating further threads on this topic.
> >
> >That said, I guess cpunks was never good, it's meaningless to attempt
> >to
> >stop the shitstorm, etc., and so on. But now there are 2-3 posters who
> >continually post random conspiracy crap and have built an echo chamber
> >that totally drowns out any actual cypherpunking.
> >
> >Better posters (you know who you are), please stop encouraging this.
> >
> >On Tue, 2015-06-23 at 17:44 -0300, Juan wrote:
> >> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:05:20 -0400
> >> Ted Smith <tedks at riseup.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > What's the cypherpunk link in this?
> >>
> >>
> >> 	That was part of a discussion on the nature of western
> >> 	governments and western propaganda.
> >>
> >> 	Do you think that discussions on the nature of western
> >> 	governments are off-topic? Maybe banned?
> >>
> >> 	Maybe we should instead talk about how terrible the suffering
> >> 	of US military murderers is?
> >>
> >> 	paging Nick Econopouly <nickeconopouly at gmail.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, 2015-06-18 at 19:41 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> >> > >
> >http://russia-insider.com/en/hey-obama-what-about-serbias-territoral-integrity/ri8092
> >> > >
> >> > > Summary at bottom, summarizing shifting position of "west" over
> >> > > some time: "So let us recount the western position:
> >> > >  -   It claimed to uphold the sovereignty and territorial
> >integrity
> >> > > of other countries and the inviolability of borders in Europe
> >> > >  -   However, this did not extend to the sovereignty and the
> >> > > territorial integrity of Federal Yugoslavia which could be
> >trampled
> >> > > at will
> >> > >  -   Nonetheless, albeit the territorial integrity of Federal
> >> > > Yugoslavia itself wasn’t worth anything, the territorial
> >integrity
> >> > > of its constituent republics seeking independence was holy
> >> > >  -   Albeit the territorial integrity of the Yugoslav constituent
> >> > > republics of Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina was
> >holy,
> >> > > the territorial integrity of Serbia was not
> >> > >  -   Albeit Slovenes, Croats and Bosnian Muslims could leave
> >> > > Yugoslavia, Serbs could not leave Croatia and Bosnia
> >> > >  -   Albeit Serbs could not leave Croatia and Bosnia, Kosovo
> >> > > Albanians could secede from Serbia
> >> > >  -   Albeit Kosovo Albanians could secede from Serbia, Kosovo
> >Serbs
> >> > > could not secede from Albanian-run Kosovo
> >> > >  -   Albeit Kosovo could unilaterally secede from Serbia under
> >NATO
> >> > > military control, Crimea could not unilaterally secede from
> >Ukraine
> >> > > under Russian military control
> >> > >
> >> > > May world be spared hunger, plague and western principles.
> >> > > "
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >--
> >Sent from Ubuntu
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.





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