U. S. A.! A-me-ri-cah, f--- yeah! - How to rule the world, U.S. style

Cathal (Phone) cathalgarvey at cathalgarvey.me
Tue Jun 23 14:32:33 PDT 2015


Propaganda is on-topic only insofar as it explores cointelpro, persona management, etc: not strictly crypto, but subversive and political (ab)uses of communications technology.

And, while we're on the subject, I suspect much of this pro-anything-not-West crap is likely to be just that: cointelpro to discredit the genuine content and discourage subscription/participation by a wider audience. It's pretty effective, I think.

On 23 June 2015 21:51:19 GMT+01:00, Ted Smith <tedks at riseup.net> wrote:
>I certainly think that geopolitics is not in general on topic for this
>list.
>
>"Western governments" and "western propaganda" also don't seem to me to
>be on topic for this list. This is not a list about propaganda or
>governance. 
>
>Since this list is unmoderated, I am sharing my discontent in the hopes
>of demotivating further threads on this topic.
>
>That said, I guess cpunks was never good, it's meaningless to attempt
>to
>stop the shitstorm, etc., and so on. But now there are 2-3 posters who
>continually post random conspiracy crap and have built an echo chamber
>that totally drowns out any actual cypherpunking.
>
>Better posters (you know who you are), please stop encouraging this. 
>
>On Tue, 2015-06-23 at 17:44 -0300, Juan wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:05:20 -0400
>> Ted Smith <tedks at riseup.net> wrote:
>> 
>> > What's the cypherpunk link in this?
>> 
>> 
>> 	That was part of a discussion on the nature of western
>> 	governments and western propaganda. 
>> 
>> 	Do you think that discussions on the nature of western
>> 	governments are off-topic? Maybe banned? 
>> 
>> 	Maybe we should instead talk about how terrible the suffering
>> 	of US military murderers is?
>> 
>> 	paging Nick Econopouly <nickeconopouly at gmail.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > 
>> > On Thu, 2015-06-18 at 19:41 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> > >
>http://russia-insider.com/en/hey-obama-what-about-serbias-territoral-integrity/ri8092
>> > > 
>> > > Summary at bottom, summarizing shifting position of "west" over
>> > > some time: "So let us recount the western position:
>> > >  -   It claimed to uphold the sovereignty and territorial
>integrity
>> > > of other countries and the inviolability of borders in Europe
>> > >  -   However, this did not extend to the sovereignty and the
>> > > territorial integrity of Federal Yugoslavia which could be
>trampled
>> > > at will
>> > >  -   Nonetheless, albeit the territorial integrity of Federal
>> > > Yugoslavia itself wasn’t worth anything, the territorial
>integrity
>> > > of its constituent republics seeking independence was holy
>> > >  -   Albeit the territorial integrity of the Yugoslav constituent
>> > > republics of Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina was
>holy,
>> > > the territorial integrity of Serbia was not
>> > >  -   Albeit Slovenes, Croats and Bosnian Muslims could leave
>> > > Yugoslavia, Serbs could not leave Croatia and Bosnia
>> > >  -   Albeit Serbs could not leave Croatia and Bosnia, Kosovo
>> > > Albanians could secede from Serbia
>> > >  -   Albeit Kosovo Albanians could secede from Serbia, Kosovo
>Serbs
>> > > could not secede from Albanian-run Kosovo
>> > >  -   Albeit Kosovo could unilaterally secede from Serbia under
>NATO
>> > > military control, Crimea could not unilaterally secede from
>Ukraine
>> > > under Russian military control
>> > > 
>> > > May world be spared hunger, plague and western principles.
>> > > "
>> > > 
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>
>-- 
>Sent from Ubuntu

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