NSA/FBI monitoring

[Razer]

On 06/02/2015 05:52 PM, M373 wrote:
> The NSA provides data to the FBI 

Actually it's the OTHER way around:

"Presidential Executive Order 12333 - 1.13 allows the FBI to provide the
NSA with “technical assistance” in the United States… ie. to collect
metadata about American citizens by collaborating with “foreign
intelligence and law enforcement services”.

In other words, "President Obama could end mass domestic surveillance
with one stroke of his pen."

More, with links: http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/72893522022

> nd DEA, among others. Although it was
> known previously, this is part of what Snowden released with
> corroborating documentation. That it hasn't gotten more attention, by
> Greenwald, Snowden, et al, is one of the major credible complaints since
> the releases began in June 2013. The FBI does do its own surveillance
> and can easily tap telecoms with programs such as DCSNet and Red Hook,
> but they don't have the resources (as far I know) to do the blanket
> surveillance that NSA (and GCHQ, CSE, etc) does. NSA collects nearly all
> internet traffic in the USA with its intercept rooms at the network
> control centers that big telecoms have on the internet backbone. They
> gather almost everything, including content, not just metadata. The
> announced capacity of the Bluffton, Utah data center is several orders
> of magnitude more than is needed to store metadata alone.
>
> So, yes, some NSA data is shared with the FBI (and others) but the
> details matter. There is FBI surveillance but NSA does the blanket
> surveillance. With the FBI, as far as I know, you have to be targeted
> (except for the IMSI catcher type stuff, which are indiscriminate but
> not an nationwide/international dragnet). The AP story about the FBI
> surveillance planes is quite interesting, although fits with recent info
> and long term trends.
>
> On 02-Jun-15 18:01, yotm wrote:
>> Hey folks,
>>
>> With the NSA Patriot Act/FBI planes in the news, I recalled an IRL
>> example from 2004 of Minneapolis FBI anti-terrorism division/department
>> monitoring my cell, email and MSN Messenger communications.
>>
>> https://storify.com/flyingmonkeyair/in-which-the-fbi-surveilled-me-while-buying-a-dog
>>
>> I mention this because so far all the metadata collection info ruckus
>> has focused on the NSA.
>>
>> There's been so much data released as a result of Snowden that I've lost
>> track. Does anyone recall anything showing the FBI have access to the
>> NSA's data, or does the FBI have it's own interception going on?
>>
>> Thanks for any light shed on this.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Nigel Parry
>> nigelparry.com
>> nigelparry.net
>>
>>
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