Comsec Dream

Travis Biehn tbiehn at
Thu Jan 15 17:02:21 PST 2015

The distinction is crypto is applied. The axioms and rules don't require
belief or faith - applied crypto has shown time and time again to require
belief and faith.

Crypto is opaque - but open.

DES was once thought to be secure.
RSA was once thought to be secure.
PKI was once thought to be secure.


On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer at> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:20:33PM -0500, dan at wrote:
> > John Young writes:
> >  | Comsec dream: secure means uniquely controllable by each person.
> >  | Free of faith, scripture, authorities, investors, apologists,
> exploiters.
> >
> >
> > Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy.  The
> > savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe.
> > Civilization is the process of setting man free from men.
> >                         -- Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead (1943)
> From each according to his ability, to each according to his need
> Does this not describe the copyleft and copyfree software? Or maybe
> it describes a world where farmers figure out they can make more
> money by giving away all the food the world needs, and knowing
> when to sell the rest for profit?
> But I have a hard time believing that mathematics is anything other
> than a testable shared belief, in which we all share faith.

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