Privacy advocates resign over facial recognition plans

Mirimir mirimir at
Tue Aug 11 18:56:10 PDT 2015

On 08/11/2015 04:34 PM, Juan wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 16:11:00 -0600
> Mirimir <mirimir at> wrote:
>> He was mocking you, yes. But I don't recall much from you except
>> criticism of others' ideas, plans, projects, etc.
> 	Yes, exactly. Valid criticism of stuff that doesn't work and is
> 	morally fucked up.
> 	You have a problem with that? You want people to try to sell
> 	garbage and go unchallenged? 

I have no problem with calling bullshit. Not at all. But if nothing is
workable, government criminals have won, and we're fucked.

>>> 	You, too, let me know when you guys start 'watching'  and
>>> 	'holding accountable' your 'representatives'  aka your
>>> masters. 
>>> 	I'll be waiting for you to post the access credentials to
>>> phone companies, ISPs, datacenters and the like, so that we can
>>> start 'watching' the government just like they watch us. 
>> That information is out there. 
> 	What information is out there?

Methods, exploits, vulnerabilities, account credentials, passwords, etc,
etc, etc. I'm not into that shit, but I know that it's out there.

> 	Are you missing the point on purpose? The networks are 'owned'
> 	by the government and friends, and there obviously is no
> 	fucking way for joe six pack to use their infrastructure to
> 	'watch' his masters. 

Yes, the networks are owned by governments and their friends. But that
doesn't mean that they're unusable. Free agents do get pwned, for sure.
But all too often, it's bad OPSEC that gets them. Loose lips, mostly.

And yes, "joe six pack" isn't doing that. But once stuff has been put
online, anyone can check it out.

>> But it doesn't get posted on open mail
>> lists. Results are put online, via WikiLeaks, Cryptome, pastebins,
> 	Not what I was getting at, not to mention, the amount of stuff
> 	that gets posted is (pretty) small.

What were you getting at? We've seen some amazing shit from Snowden.
It's too bad that he was too patriotic to just drop the whole wad
somewhere, however. So it goes.

>> etc. But once access info goes public, it becomes useless.
> 	Of course. Like I said, the networks are owned by the
> 	government. Temporary glitches in security don't mean much, if
> 	anything. 

You gotta take what you can get.

> 	Oh, and let me know when the nsa really gets 'hacked'  as
> 	opposed as having one employee betray them.

They've been betrayed several times, that we know of. Mostly it's for
money, and we rarely hear about that, even when people get busted. Have
you read James Bamford's books on the NSA?

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