so called onion routing

Travis Biehn tbiehn at gmail.com
Wed Aug 5 12:41:57 PDT 2015 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Cari Machet <carimachet at gmail.com> wrote:

> its religious thought to even utilize the word 'evil' let alone think in
> those terms and religious thought is a capitalist parasite >>> read
> nietzsche for fuck sake he wrote in the 1800's
>
> That's my point, glad we agree.


> one of my arguments is that it is structurally unsound to rely on one
> method >>> especially if built by your enemy - i look to nature as other
> thinkers do/have and i think about buckminster fuller - his analysis of
> panther dna making them vulnerable to extinction because it is all so/too
> similar ... in any given situation i do not think in terms of one solution
> ... i have used this analogy before ... sperm: there are lots of them in
> one load ... they all race to get to the egg sure but, they actually help
> each other to penetrate - they dont care who gets in as long as one of them
> transforms the egg into a being (i mean i cant really speak for sperms in
> general but it has been analysed like this)... thats their job ...they even
> have been seen to help each other non-competative like :: this is the kind
> of structures we need moreso not monolithic structures that blind us ...
> its really a geometry problem for me... math
>
> OK, 'yes' monoculture is threatening and certain practices provide clear
'intelligence signals'. Unrestrained 'lateral thinking,' while
intellectually stimulating and interesting, does not always map to fact.
There's a step, where you rigorously research whether your theories are
correct.

but also it is all ethical to me as well : if my family was murdered by a
> fucker i wouldnt go and use that fuckers infrastructure cause they made it
> for me to use and sent some other fuckers around the globe selling it cause
> like the fucker murdered my family i wont support them in any way ever
> ....why would i talk myself into supporting the murderer of my family when
> i could think about, invent or utilize other methods - its just really not
> logical
>
This is an emotional argument, not a logical one. To continue the appeal to
emotion, isn't it vaguely poetic? Using alternative methods are fine, but
the existence of alternatives does not justify demonizing other approaches.


>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Travis Biehn <tbiehn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, just get a new DHCP lease - rock solid.
>>
>> This is actually pretty easy; First read the protocol spec then read the
>> code.
>>
>> If there is a backdoor or vulnerability, please let everyone know.
>>
>> If you can do away with evils like centralized directory servers while
>> retaining sybill resistance please publish your ideas.
>>
>> If your arguments are that the project is intrinsically evil, by virtue
>> of the authors being tainted with 'reptilian money' - that's not really a
>> technically robust.
>>
>> -Travis
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015, 9:24 AM Cari Machet <carimachet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> i think there could be solutions utilized like easily shifting the ip
>>> address of comp and router yourself in your own little hut > 'ghost' it but
>>> not thru others .... pretty fucking simple i know but maybe effective in a
>>> really different way than having the fake government of the US build
>>> something and use people that are activists against them to make it work
>>> also i think the infrastructure is too bulky
>>>
>>> i like to think about satelites (and thats all i will say about that) -
>>> i dont know i would have to have a real think about solutions it is very
>>> important to think about it and not just the problem for sure but i dont
>>> think the methodology of tor is a solution i think it is a stoppage point
>>> that people are not seeing beyond ... people dont think it has been
>>> penetrated and i have no proof of that but maybe that isnt the main problem
>>> for me ... structurally speaking it is a disaster ... the masses being
>>> handed a tool in order to subvert the government??? as they say you cant
>>> make this shit up
>>>
>>> i know that when i was in syria i could get a fucking video call in the
>>> desert where there was nothing ... this was syria not a rich country per
>>> say like at all so i think the choking of the communication system is super
>>> in play ... if others dont think thats a problem then they need to educate
>>> themselves ... do people that live in the US on this list even know that
>>> the infrastructure of fiber optics that underlies the communications may
>>> not even be utilized in their city and that the reason it is not used is
>>> because the communication companies bought a contract with there city that
>>> freezes it all up? please look into the chatanooga model if you dont know
>>> about this 'freemarket' bullshit>>>> also fyi iraq had video calls
>>> nationwide in 2000 or even before ... now i am not sure what tech they were
>>> using i think radiowaves and shooting the signal over land that way but it
>>> all points to a tremendous shut down of functionality  .... not that it was
>>> probably all that healthy for people but...
>>>
>>> sure we can write each other little words on this frame of
>>> communications but see what happens when attempting to shift in a large way
>>> ... like when they printed the 3d gun... people had to git fr USA & like
>>> when barrett made project pm and this is a major reason i think there
>>> should be as many solutions as possible not just one - not as easy for
>>> gov/corp to take them out
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Juan <juan.g71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 4 Aug 2015 22:36:00 -0700
>>>> coderman <coderman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 8/3/15, Juan <juan.g71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > > ...
>>>> > > http://www.onion-router.net/History.html
>>>> > > 1995:
>>>> > > Initial work on Onion Routing begins, funded by ONR.
>>>> >
>>>> > back in this day, fully saturated ISDN pairs made for great zero
>>>> > knowledge overlays, too.
>>>> >
>>>> > the real question is, what do you propose to do better?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         what I was getting at is that, if I'm not  mistaken, syverson
>>>>         and co. claim to have 'invented' 'onion routing'
>>>>
>>>>         but they didn't come up with the ideas and didn't even come up
>>>>         with the name apparently
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > if TCP Tor is just a jump toward datagram traffic analysis resistant
>>>> > overlays, how little it matters what origins for this open source",
>>>> > distributed, public infrastructure?
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>         do you consider your governemnt to be a 'repressive regime'
>>>>         coderman?
>>>>
>>>>         does tor protect people from your goverment's attacks?
>>>>
>>>>         do you think tor helps the US government in any way?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         do you think it's 'hypotetically' acceptable to murder say a 100
>>>>         people so that 1 million  people can 'anonymously' browse
>>>>         their newspaper or favorite sports website?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > cooperation is the future. learn to do it least badly :P
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > best regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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