cypherpunks Digest, Vol 22, Issue 38

Sun Apr 26 02:13:23 PDT 2015

@tigru my 10 yr old would absolutely be interested in MC/learning to code.
Please contact me with more information if this becomes a reality.

On Sat, Apr 25, 2015, 4:21 PM  <tigrutigru at gmail.com> wrote:

> RE: Cypherpunk Kidz
>
> @Travis Such a good point about "yellow submarine graphics". I didn't want
> to reply to the whole list, just wanted to say that it's a really spot on
> remark.
> Kids are not idiots.
> I'd rather come to a Minecraft server as a kid and as an adult. There are
> some good MC projects for learning code. Nothing with security twist though
> I came across.
>
> Barclays is cool, ok, but, I wasn't sure what it has to do with Cypherpunk
> Kidz - it's not so much about security and encryption?
>
> We're up for setting up a Minecraft server for this purpose - learn code &
> security. Let me know if anyone would be interested to join: I can chat
> about it in detail in separate thread.
> @Rysiek - any thoughts?
> Also - multiplayers so make good live streams.
>
>
>
>
>
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> >   1. Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz (Georgi Guninski)
> >   2. Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz (Travis Biehn)
> >   3. Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz (Razer)
> >   4. Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz (Shelley)
> >   5. Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz (Juan)
> >   6. Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz (Razer)
> >   7. Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz (Razer)
> >   8. Re: [cryptography] Shamir Reveals Sisyphus Algorithm (John Young)
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 19:53:28 +0300
> > From: Georgi Guninski <guninski at guninski.com>
> > To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
> > Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz
> > Message-ID: <20150424165328.GA2620 at sivokote.iziade.m$>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 08:54:42AM -0700, Razer wrote:
> >>
> >> In case the 'adults' here can't find it, the control 'console' is
> >> U-Left, with whirlygig on top.
> >>
> >> http://barclayscodeplayground.co.uk/
> >
> > this appears unusable without javascript and/or cookies.
> >
> > not to mention it uses google analytics for spam.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:48:49 -0400
> > From: Travis Biehn <tbiehn at gmail.com>
> > To: Georgi Guninski <guninski at guninski.com>
> > Cc: "cypherpunks at cpunks.org" <cypherpunks at cpunks.org>
> > Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz
> > Message-ID:
> >    <CAKtE3zcX9e6d0ghYRJkZSnYDOd6C4s5Hj24suB=d7YCDmMUX5A at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > We're left to guess at what the point is but I doubt that Barclay's use
> of
> > javascript, cookies and analytics platforms are what Razer is pointing
> out.
> > I presume that Razer is miffed at the obvious indoctrination play that
> > comes off as a bit creepy. Perhaps Razer would like to see a Cpunks
> themed
> > playground where opsec is taught to toddlers?
> >
> > "If you*re aged 7- 17
> > and enjoyed Barclays Code Playground,
> > we’d love you to
> > come along to a
> > coding session in branch.
> >
> > <There*llThere'll be tips,
> > ch at llengeschallenges
> > and many more things to code.
> >
> >> Our trained Digital Eagles
> > will be there
> > to help you take your
> > coding skills
> > <to the next level."
> >
> > Barclay's bank, you know they're cool because they use the wrong symbols
> > for punctuation and substitute letters for look-alike glyphs.
> >
> > -Travis
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Georgi Guninski <guninski at guninski.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 08:54:42AM -0700, Razer wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In case the 'adults' here can't find it, the control 'console' is
> >>> U-Left, with whirlygig on top.
> >>>
> >>> http://barclayscodeplayground.co.uk/
> >>
> >> this appears unusable without javascript and/or cookies.
> >>
> >> not to mention it uses google analytics for spam.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/travisbiehn> | GitHub <
> http://github.com/tbiehn>
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> > <https://plus.google.com/+TravisBiehn>
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:10:34 -0700
> > From: Razer <Rayzer at riseup.net>
> > To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
> > Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz
> > Message-ID: <553A871A.5020505 at riseup.net>
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> >
> >> On 04/24/2015 09:53 AM, Georgi Guninski quoted me & wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 08:54:42AM -0700, Razer wrote:
> >>> In case the 'adults' here can't find it, the control 'console' is
> >>> U-Left, with whirlygig on top.
> >>>
> >>> http://barclayscodeplayground.co.uk/
> >> this appears unusable without javascript
> >
> > You miss the point. CODING. Besides, I'm absofuckinglutely sure BARCLAYS
> > put all sorts of nasty Jscripts onsite to tamper with kid's computers.
> >
> >> and/or cookies.
> >
> > I didn't inspect the text bodies but their names indicate they're there
> > to prove you viewed their cookie policy. Besides, the intertubz wouldn't
> > work very well without them. (Get out much?) Use a cookie cleaner
> > occasionally and block 3rd party cookies. Problem solved.
> >
> >>
> >> not to mention it uses google analytics for spam.
> >
> > GhostServ or NoScript blocks it. No site NEEDS it to function correctly.
> >
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:49:51 -0700
> > From: Shelley <shelley at misanthropia.org>
> > To: <cypherpunks at cpunks.org>
> > Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz
> > Message-ID: <20150424184935.F14E8C00016 at frontend1.nyi.internal>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed
> >
> >> On April 24, 2015 11:39:14 AM Travis Biehn <tbiehn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> We're left to guess at what the point is but I doubt that Barclay's use
> of
> >> javascript, cookies and analytics platforms are what Razer is pointing
> out.
> >
> > Obviously not.  But the use of such nonsense (all of which I block) will
> > keep people like me from wasting time by going to the site, so I thank
> > Georgi for the heads-up.
> >
> > -S
> >
> >
> >> I presume that Razer is miffed at the obvious indoctrination play that
> >> comes off as a bit creepy. Perhaps Razer would like to see a Cpunks
> themed
> >> playground where opsec is taught to toddlers?
> >>
> >> "If you*re aged 7- 17
> >> and enjoyed Barclays Code Playground,
> >> we’d love you to
> >> come along to a
> >> coding session in branch.
> >>
> >> <There*llThere'll be tips,
> >> ch at llengeschallenges
> >> and many more things to code.
> >>
> >>> Our trained Digital Eagles
> >> will be there
> >> to help you take your
> >> coding skills
> >> <to the next level."
> >>
> >> Barclay's bank, you know they're cool because they use the wrong symbols
> >> for punctuation and substitute letters for look-alike glyphs.
> >>
> >> -Travis
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Georgi Guninski <
> guninski at guninski.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 08:54:42AM -0700, Razer wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> In case the 'adults' here can't find it, the control 'console' is
> >>>> U-Left, with whirlygig on top.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://barclayscodeplayground.co.uk/
> >>>
> >>> this appears unusable without javascript and/or cookies.
> >>>
> >>> not to mention it uses google analytics for spam.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Twitter <https://twitter.com/tbiehn> | LinkedIn
> >> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/travisbiehn> | GitHub <
> http://github.com/tbiehn>
> >> | TravisBiehn.com <http://www.travisbiehn.com> | Google Plus
> >> <https://plus.google.com/+TravisBiehn>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 16:00:02 -0300
> > From: Juan <juan.g71 at gmail.com>
> > To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
> > Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz
> > Message-ID: <553a91af.4cc28c0a.1bad.ffffead8 at mx.google.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> >
> >
> >    children like cookies
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:09:52 -0700
> > From: Razer <Rayzer at riseup.net>
> > To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
> > Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz
> > Message-ID: <553AA310.9000707 at riseup.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 04/24/2015 10:48 AM, Travis Biehn wrote:
> >> Perhaps Razer would like to see a Cpunks themed playground where opsec
> >> is taught to toddlers?
> >
> > Cool! We getz to sling tarballs at each other too?
> >
> > Re:
> >> I presume that Razer is miffed at the obvious indoctrination play that
> >> comes off as a bit creepy.
> >
> > What kind of creeps me is the Yellow Submarine-like graphics, a
> > throwback to my teen years. If they REALLY want to attract kids nowdays
> > Miley Cyrus 1/2 nekkid Twerking gifs and Call of Duty gamergore would
> > probably attract more.
> >
> > BTW, and OT, I think I've found the first recorded use of the word
> "Twerk".
> >
> > Frank Zappa's tender Autumn/Spring love ballad, Magdalena. Albeit none
> > of the lyrics sites show that word in the song, it's plainly there if
> > one listens to the track.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKFUOnnSF0c (incl. Dog Breath).
> >
> >> There was a man
> >> A little ole man
> >> Who lived in Montreal
> >> With a wife and a kid
> >> And a car and a house
> >> And a teenage daughter
> >> With a see-thru blouse
> >> Who loved to TWERK (grunt) and ball-
> >> And her name was Magdalena
> >>
> >> Magdalena . . .
> >>
> >> The little ole man
> >> Came home one night
> >> To his house in Montreal.
> >> He caught his daughter
> >> In the blouse by the light
> >> And he said to himself:
> >> "She looks all right!"
> >> And he reached for a tit
> >> And grabbed it tight
> >> And threw her up
> >> Against the wall
> >> (BLUE CROSS!)
> >> Magdalena . . .
> >>
> >> My daughter dear,
> >> Do not be concerned when your
> >> Canadian daddy comes near.
> >> My daughter dear
> >> Do not be concerned when your
> >> Canadian daddy comes near.
> >> I work so hard,
> >> Don't you understand,
> >> Making maple syrup
> >> For the pancakes of our land.
> >
> >
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> > Message: 7
> > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:11:56 -0700
> > From: Razer <Rayzer at riseup.net>
> > To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
> > Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz
> > Message-ID: <553AA38C.2070201 at riseup.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> >
> > +1
> >
> >> On 04/24/2015 12:00 PM, Juan wrote:
> >>    children like cookies
> >
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> > Message: 8
> > Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 10:44:47 -0400
> > From: John Young <jya at pipeline.com>
> > To: Ben Laurie <ben at links.org>
> > Cc: cpunks <cypherpunks at cpunks.org>, cryptome at freelists.org,
> >    Cryptography Mailing List <cryptography at metzdowd.com>, Crypto
> >    discussion list <cryptography at randombit.net>
> > Subject: Re: [cryptography] Shamir Reveals Sisyphus Algorithm
> > Message-ID: <E1Ym1Is-0004ua-W7 at elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > Indeed. Inherent leakiness of digital technology is a gift of Olympus,
> > aka James Bidzos aka RSA. Never enough fault-rich crypto.
> >
> > Digitalization might be the quintessential foolhardiness, or comsec
> > opportunism, which had led to endless apologies, apologias, apoplexies.
> >
> > And hurrahs among investors, urging hackers and insiders to spill
> > secrets sufficient to assure comsec-panicky buyers. Bug bounties
> > hilariously, assuredly, self-defeating as backdoor warnings.
> >
> > At 09:49 AM 4/25/2015, Ben Laurie wrote:
> >>> On 22 April 2015 at 17:24, John Young <jya at pipeline.com> wrote:
> >>> Futility of trying to eliminate every single vulnerability in a given
> piece
> >>> of software.
> >>
> >> The name of the game is to protect the secrets despite bugs. And I
> >> don't mean with cryptography.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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