Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept

Mon Apr 6 17:38:45 PDT 2015

i dont remember ever a journalist putting themselves in a shot like that

i dont see how jeremy's head in that shot gives ANY context that brings it
out of the abstract cerebral place - that it isnt actually in in the first
place - dead bodies in mogadishu or the moon are not abstract or just
floaty... not in my head at least not in my gut either or my big toe

jeremy is from wisconsin i think is that what you think brings context?

please you will have to bring more to the table than that... i am not
swallowing

listen i am all for showing a lot of stuff truelly really i am... but if
you are on the ground as a journo you run across things that are just not
ok to even film - its just like that

i have other things as i originally posted that make all of this much worse
for me > jeremy attacked mona eltahawy on twitter over her media 'junkets'
in new york regarding the revolution in egypt he was really fucked up in
doing it and i was like after that questioning his ethics then i saw this
scene and i was like wtf

i do not think he is ethical and for other reasons as well so... things
pile up ya know and then you have to acknowledge them or you are a part of
it in a way

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:32 AM, Andrew <kyboren at riseup.net> wrote:

> Cari Machet:
> > mirimir - you prove you know what was in the mind of the filmmaker and
> then
> > prove that the overriding factor in any documentary is absolutely what
> was
> > in the mind of the filmmaker
> >
> > could it possible be that the story matters more than the filmmaker - ya
> > think maybe ? maybe possibly ?
> >
> > plus your 'proposiition' is not evidence - its no excuse for him
> exploiting
> > a dead body anyway
> >
> > people when you are an ethical journalist you are careful not to exploit
> > images of children, people that are unconscious etc as they do not have a
> > say in the image content - if this is breeched it is possible they are
> > being exploited but to then place oneself in the frame is just beyond all
> > of that even - that is totally unethical
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 04/06/2015 02:45 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
> >>> scahill was being filmed in the fucking morgue not at the site of the
> >> drone
> >>> strike - the persons body was on a slab for fuck sake
> >>>
> >>> ambulance chasing times 1 trillion
> >>
> >> The point, which you seem to miss, was to make it real for the audience.
> >> It would have been better to shoot footage at the site of the drone
> >> strike, of course. But I presume that the crew didn't arrive in time for
> >> that. Anyway, by putting Scahill in the shot, they emphasize that he was
> >> there, and actually saw the victims. That could be CGIed, and so the
> >> audience still needs to trust him.
> >>
> >>> you humans can give him every fucking award that exists in your
> >> arsenal...
> >>> i wont line up
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 04/06/2015 12:22 PM, Bethany wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 06/04/15 12:59 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
> >>>>>> its not a 'claim' watch his film that was up for an academy award
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> there is a scene in mogadishu where he is in the morgue there is a
> >>>>> dead body and him in the scene he is standing right next to it - the
> >>>>> person was hit by a drone strike
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> no journalist gets filmed with dead bodies it is unethical it never
> >>>>> happens
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> perhaps if you were a journalist in the field you would understand
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Absolutely. The first thing any good journalist should think when
> he's
> >>>>> investigating drone strikes and is permitted to witness the
> examination
> >>>>> of a body of a victim is "shit, don't film me here, where I am! So
> >>>> gauche!"
> >>>>
> >>>> You're being ironic, I trust.
> >>>>
> >>>> I rather think that "Dirty Wars" should have shown lots of remains,
> and
> >>>> sequences of people looking for little burned bits scattered about.
> >>>> Maybe the film did feature too much of Scahill. He's no Michael Moore.
> >>>> But a scene showing Obama receiving some gift made from a victim's
> femur
> >>>> would have been priceless :)
> >>>>
> >>>> <SNIP>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> Pictures of children, unconscious people, even--GASP--the dead can be
> perfectly ethical.  Indeed, in my view a journalist usually has the
> *duty* to show their audience what they see, no matter how
> heart-wrenching or gruesome.  Not to show the uncomfortable truth is the
> true breach of journalistic ethics.
>
> Should we censor thousands upon thousands of hours of war footage
> because the dead soldiers and civilians didn't get a say in it?  Or does
> the public interest outweigh that concern?  It's a balancing act, and
> depends on the broader context.
>
> Putting yourself in a shot is different territory, but can be ethical in
> some cases.  One of those cases, in my opinion, is in a documentary
> showing the journalist's journey.  This can be, and in the case of Dirty
> Wars in my opinion is, as illuminating as the 'ground truth' itself.  It
> gives a context to the images which is otherwise missing and very
> difficult to understand on anything more than an abstract, cerebral level.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>

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