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>> 1. Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept (Cari Machet)
>> 2. Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept (c4p0)
>> 3. GPAs vs todays anonymous overlay networks (grarpamp)
>> 4. Re: Fwd: The West's Shame (jim bell)
>> 5. Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept (Bethany)
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>> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 18:59:30 +0200
>> From: Cari Machet <carimachet at gmail.com>
>> To: Alexis Wattel <alexiswattel at gmail.com>
>> Cc: cpunks <cypherpunks at cpunks.org>
>> Subject: Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept
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>> its not a 'claim' watch his film that was up for an academy award
>>
>> there is a scene in mogadishu where he is in the morgue there is a dead
>> body and him in the scene he is standing right next to it - the
person was
>> hit by a drone strike
>>
>> no journalist gets filmed with dead bodies it is unethical it never
happens
>>
>> perhaps if you were a journalist in the field you would understand
>>
>> it isnt 'slander' if it is true so maybe you dont know anything about law
>> either
>>
>> just because you have not run across other people criticising the great
>> perfect white guy jeremy scahill doesnt mean it isnt happening - you seem
>> to assume a lot and not ask questions just flame out assuming you know
>> everything i think that is known as narcissism which people go to
>> psychiatrists to get help working out of as its such a lethal
condition but
>> it isnt easy because narcissists think they are right all the time
>>
>> besides even if i was the only one criticising jeremy that doesnt
prove me
>> wrong - prove me wrong > go ahead try...
>>
>> also i knew the 'report' was false that you assume i thought it was true
>> again proves my premise that you are narcissistic
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Alexis Wattel <alexiswattel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking about facts checking: intrigued by these allegations I
looked up
>>> wiki on Omydiar, and his network association is said to have
partnered with
>>> the CIA, which is not generally all about "philanthropy", although this
>>> claim lack any reference.
>>>
>>> Would someone know why is the Agency mentioned there?
>>>
>>> Aside from that, financed projects include "mobile intelligence" for
>>> prospectors and deploying banks onto mobile phones to make sure everyone
>>> even in Africa pays his fees to the landlords. They even dare to say
it's
>>> cheaper than cash. I wonder how that is.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway... Wild allegations are very entertaining, but seriously
what's the
>>> real meaning of this about Tor?
>>> Because no technical evidence suggest it is "backdoored" (whatever that
>>> would mean, this is a trendy word, makes the one who says it sound
so l33t
>>> in journalism circles).
>>>
>>> On the other hand, Tor devs are more and more often prone on reminding
>>> that traffic analysis/correlation is not part of their threat model. The
>>> problem is that it is nowadays a definitely proven capability of
>>> adversaries.
>>>
>>> I really can't help thinking this is a deliberate desire of keeping
Tor at
>>> government's reach because the eternal argument they oppose do not
stand.
>>> They say that randomized wait times at each relay would make the traffic
>>> too slow. But I remember using Tor 8 years ago when it took forever
to load
>>> a Web page, and still did I use it in spite of this major extra effort,
>>> because anonymous surfing was such a blast.
>>> Today the network is fast enough to be able to swap 25% speed for a
>>> massive increase of anonymity.
>>> The other solution, randomized length of packets with dummy padding
>>> discarded at each relay would impact even less on responsiveness.
>>>
>>> I honestly can't see why they legitimately refuse to implement this.
>>> They seem to think that the need to observe both ends is too hard. Did
>>> they hear about the BGP routing attack that targeted Iceland? Funny
how the
>>> Silk Road server was found a month later in... Oh shit, Iceland.
>>>
>>> When you claim to protect activists with government money, you'd better
>>> not show dubious intentions if people trust are what you depend on.
Because
>>> that's why Tor was opened at first. The government officials needed
to hide
>>> among civilian traffic. They do need the people to run nodes.
>>>
>>> Le 6 avril 2015 15:04:21 CEST, xezha <xezha at riseup.net> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>
> I think I may have to leave this list.
>
> Can you really not tell the difference between a real article and
> something made up/joke/propaganda?
> Please be a little more critical and back up for claims before slandering
> someones name. Even 5 minutes of research with google will demonstrate
> that
> you are the only source of ANY claims about Jeremy Scahills unethical
> journalism. You seem to have a screw loose.
>
> Xe
>
>
> On 06/04/15 02:35, Cari Machet wrote:
> >>>>> thank you!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> i just want to say that @jeremyscahill took a selfie with a
> (murdered)
> dead body which no & i mean no journalist does - no one ... he is a very
> sick capitalist fascist
> >>>>>
> >>>>> he has done more than this but i wont go on & on
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Juan <juan.g71 at gmail.com
> <mailto:juan.g71 at gmail.com> <juan.g71 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:29:06 -0700
> >>>>> Seth <list at sysfu.com <mailto:list at sysfu.com> <list at sysfu.com>>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > It's about damn time ;)
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> http://chronicle.su/2015/03/07/greenwald-scahill-step-down-from-the-intercept/
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> is this some kind of stupid 'joke' ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Cari Machet
> >>>>> NYC 646-436-7795
> >>>>> carimachet at gmail.com <mailto:carimachet at gmail.com>
> <carimachet at gmail.com>
> >>>>> AIM carismachet
> >>>>> Syria +963-099 277 3243
> >>>>> Amman +962 077 636 9407
> >>>>> Berlin +49 152 11779219
> >>>>> Reykjavik +354 894 8650
> >>>>> Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet>
> <https://twitter.com/carimachet>
> >>>>>
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>>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Cari Machet
>> NYC 646-436-7795
>> carimachet at gmail.com
>> AIM carismachet
>> Syria +963-099 277 3243
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>> Berlin +49 152 11779219
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>> Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet>
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>> From: c4p0 <c4p0 at cyberguerrilla.org>
>> To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
>> Subject: Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept
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>> Is difficult trust, don't say more.
>>
>> On 04/05/2015 07:29 AM, Seth wrote:
>>> It's about damn time ;)
>>>
>>>
http://chronicle.su/2015/03/07/greenwald-scahill-step-down-from-the-intercept/
>>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 13:43:38 -0400
>> From: grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com>
>> To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
>> Subject: GPAs vs todays anonymous overlay networks
>> Message-ID:
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>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Alexis Wattel <alexiswattel at gmail.com> .
>>> https://cpunks.org//pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-April/007186.html
>>
>>> traffic analysis/correlation is not part of their threat model. The
problem
>>> is that it is nowadays a definitely proven capability of adversaries.
>>
>>> They say that randomized wait times at each relay would make the
traffic too
>>> slow.
>>
>> The delay parameters must be specified before using words like "too
>> slow[ed]" to describe the relative impacts to the full path. Further,
>> relevance to chosen application must be considered. Some users
>> do realtime HS2HS text/voice/video over it.
>>
>>> The other solution, randomized length of packets with dummy padding
>>> discarded at each relay would impact even less on responsiveness.
>>
>> Using a fixed length cell network and keeping links otherwise full of
>> chaff of said length is interesting defense to GPA correlation attack.
>> Random length cells, even if some cars are removed, still form a
>> uniquely identifiable train (particularly at entry/exit). Thus not
useful.
>>
>>> deliberate desire of keeping Tor at government's reach
>>
>> [queue usual comments on funding, centralized dirauths, TCP
>> only, etc]
>>
>> It's opensource, fork it.
>>
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 17:40:44 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com>
>> To: Александр <afalex169 at gmail.com>, "cypherpunks at cpunks.org"
>> <cypherpunks at cpunks.org>
>> Subject: Re: Fwd: The West's Shame
>> Message-ID:
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>> I wonder if the person (Brad Cabana) who wrote the essay below is
aware of the "Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact", a non-agression pact between
Germany and the Soviet Union?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact My
understanding is that this agreement allowed (and was intended to allow)
Germany to attack the Western European countries without fear of Russian
attack, and it did so. The only thing which ended that agreement was
the attack by Germany on Russia in 1941. The essay claims, "Hitler
would have crushed Britain in short order if he had not diverted
millions of German men to the invasion of the Soviet Union." But
apparently the only reason Germany attacked Russia was because of its
inability to invade England, and there is absolutely no reason to
believe that Russia would have attacked Germany absent Germany's prior
attack on Russia. So what was Brad Cabana smoking?Should we be
sympathetic to the Soviets in this matter? There's an old joke about a
kid who kills his parents, and throws himself on the mercy of the judge,
claiming "But I'm an orphan!!!".
>> The essay, below, selectively describes WHAT happened, but omits the
WHY it happened. Yes, there was a Soviet "sacrifice", but it was made
necessary by the actions of the Soviets themselves. Jim Bell
>>
>> On Sunday, April 5, 2015 9:57 PM, Александр
<afalex169 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Brad Cabana
>>
>> The West's Shame
>>
>> There is something so bizarre, so inhumane about Western countries
boycotting the parade for the 70th anniversary of the Soviet victory
over Germany in World War II that I just had to write on it. Recently,
the prime minister of the United Kingdom announced he will not be
attending the parade. Previous to that, countries like Germany and the
United States had announced the same. It's only a parade you say? No
it's more than that.
>>
>> The Soviet Union sacrificed 25 million people to defeat Nazi Germany
in World War II. A sacrifice beyond imagination, and far, far greater
than all the countries fighting Nazi Germany combined. In comparison,
the Holocaust, which is rightly remembered annually, claimed the lives
of six million people of the Jewish faith. These are really the two true
tragedy's of World War II unleashed on the world by Nazi Germany. The
stories of Soviet soldiers advancing without weapons to pickup the rifle
of the next dead soldier are well known. The bloodbath of Stalingrad,
the siege of Leningrad, the millions of Soviet soldiers killed and
captured (only to then die in POW camps) during the early days of the
German invasion, and so on, all markers of the brutality of man against
his own, stand large in the history of the world. In fact, the German
invasion of the Soviet Union stands as the largest military battle in
the history of man.
>>
>> Yet, western leaders have decided to not attend the parade that is
meant to honour that sacrifice. When Britain announced it would not
attend, well, that's the straw that broke the camel's back frankly. Of
all the countries in the world, Britain was saved by the massive waves
of young Soviet men and woman that bled the German army white. Hitler
would have crushed Britain in short order if he had not diverted
millions of German men to the invasion of the Soviet Union. Crucially,
the diversion of aircraft, fighters and bombers, to the Soviet front
saved Britain from the entire annihilation of a full blown, continuous
air campaign, and the subsequent naval invasion that would certainly
have occurred. In reality, the western allies left Stalin almost alone
in Europe to battle the Nazi's, and take the majority of the casualties
in doing so. By the time D-Day finally arrived, the German army and air
force was only a shadow of it's former self as it existed in 1941. As
bad and hard as it was for the allies to march east through Europe to
Berlin, without the Soviet people's sacrifice, it would have never happened.
>>
>> It's a place of honour in human history. To quarrel with that is to
go beyond ignorance. To quarrel with that is the hateful and arrogant
bastion of the very seeds that caused World War II in the first place.
And now, as if history is repeating itself, Western leaders have entered
that bastion of ignorance and arrogance to punish Russia for the
Ukrainian civil war. By contrast, Russian president Putin, despite the
ongoing conflict in Ukraine, attended the 70th anniversary of the D-Day
landings in France last year. He was given the proverbial cold shoulder
by western leaders, yet he subjected himself to that, in honour of the
sacrifice of the men of Canada, Britain and the United States. He did
not ignore the history or the price in blood of that action. He honoured
it. He put the sacrifice ahead of his political position, and it could
even be said his personal shunning. Now that the time is here to do the
same for the Soviet Union's dead, we cannot bring ourselves to do the same.
>>
>> What that says about us is really quite obvious. It means we haven't
learned the lessons of history. That our political leadership has become
so petty, so detached from historical reality, that it attempts to
rewrite the history of 25 million souls. That is the danger of all of
this. Russians don't really need the West to honour their sacrifice.
They know it all too well. It's the West that needs to honour that
sacrifice so it can clearly see the dangers of war on a scale far more
destructive than anything it experienced on the western front, or
anywhere else in history. Poland started this train rolling by refusing
to invite the Russian president to the Holocaust remembrance at
Auschwitz last year. This despite the fact that the Soviet army
liberated all of Poland, and specifically Auschwitz from German armies.
>>
>> The actions of our western politicians say more about us than the
Russians could ever say themselves. They have portrayed us as people who
refuse to honour the dead, those that gave their lives in another time
to defeat a tyrant bent on world domination, and in doing so dishonour
those men and women. As the son of a young man, training in England,
fighting in North Africa, Italy, Holland, and Germany through those
tumultuous years of war and senseless slaughter, I recognize the Soviet
sacrifice that probably saved my Dad's life. How could you not? Yet,
that is exactly what our politicians are doing today. You don't have to
be a lover of this country, or that country to recognize and honour
grave human injustice committed on a massive scale. You just have to be
humane, and subordinate your own bias in the remembrance of the fallen.
Is that really so hard? Isn't that what is expected of us all? Wouldn't
we expect that from our children? I've never been so ashamed of the
actions of our governments than I am now with the boycott of that parade
in Moscow.
>>
>> http://rocksolidpolitics.blogspot.ru/2015/03/the-wests-shame.html
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: Bethany <groundhog593 at riseup.net>
>> To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
>> Subject: Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept
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>> On 06/04/15 12:59 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
>>> its not a 'claim' watch his film that was up for an academy award
>>>
>>> there is a scene in mogadishu where he is in the morgue there is a
>> dead body and him in the scene he is standing right next to it - the
>> person was hit by a drone strike
>>>
>>> no journalist gets filmed with dead bodies it is unethical it never
>> happens
>>>
>>> perhaps if you were a journalist in the field you would understand
>>
>>
>>
>> Absolutely. The first thing any good journalist should think when he's
>> investigating drone strikes and is permitted to witness the examination
>> of a body of a victim is "shit, don't film me here, where I am! So
gauche!"
>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Alexis Wattel
<alexiswattel at gmail.com <mailto:alexiswattel at gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Speaking about facts checking: intrigued by these allegations I
>> looked up wiki on Omydiar, and his network association is said to have
>> partnered with the CIA, which is not generally all about "philanthropy",
>> although this claim lack any reference.
>>>
>>> Would someone know why is the Agency mentioned there?
>>>
>>> Aside from that, financed projects include "mobile intelligence"
>> for prospectors and deploying banks onto mobile phones to make sure
>> everyone even in Africa pays his fees to the landlords. They even dare
>> to say it's cheaper than cash. I wonder how that is.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway... Wild allegations are very entertaining, but seriously
>> what's the real meaning of this about Tor?
>>> Because no technical evidence suggest it is "backdoored" (whatever
>> that would mean, this is a trendy word, makes the one who says it sound
>> so l33t in journalism circles).
>>>
>>> On the other hand, Tor devs are more and more often prone on
>> reminding that traffic analysis/correlation is not part of their threat
>> model. The problem is that it is nowadays a definitely proven capability
>> of adversaries.
>>>
>>> I really can't help thinking this is a deliberate desire of
>> keeping Tor at government's reach because the eternal argument they
>> oppose do not stand. They say that randomized wait times at each relay
>> would make the traffic too slow. But I remember using Tor 8 years ago
>> when it took forever to load a Web page, and still did I use it in spite
>> of this major extra effort, because anonymous surfing was such a blast.
>>> Today the network is fast enough to be able to swap 25% speed for
>> a massive increase of anonymity.
>>> The other solution, randomized length of packets with dummy
>> padding discarded at each relay would impact even less on responsiveness.
>>>
>>> I honestly can't see why they legitimately refuse to implement this.
>>> They seem to think that the need to observe both ends is too hard.
>> Did they hear about the BGP routing attack that targeted Iceland? Funny
>> how the Silk Road server was found a month later in... Oh shit, Iceland.
>>>
>>> When you claim to protect activists with government money, you'd
>> better not show dubious intentions if people trust are what you depend
>> on. Because that's why Tor was opened at first. The government officials
>> needed to hide among civilian traffic. They do need the people to run
nodes.
>>>
>>> Le 6 avril 2015 15:04:21 CEST, xezha <xezha at riseup.net
>> <mailto:xezha at riseup.net>> a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>> I think I may have to leave this list.
>>>
>>> Can you really not tell the difference between a real article and
>> something made up/joke/propaganda?
>>> Please be a little more critical and back up for claims before
>> slandering someones name. Even 5 minutes of research with google will
>> demonstrate that you are the only source of ANY claims about Jeremy
>> Scahills unethical journalism. You seem to have a screw loose.
>>>
>>> Xe
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/04/15 02:35, Cari Machet wrote:
>>>> thank you!!
>>>
>>>> i just want to say that @jeremyscahill took a selfie with a
>> (murdered) dead body which no & i mean no journalist does - no one ...
>> he is a very sick capitalist fascist
>>>
>>>> he has done more than this but i wont go on & on
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Juan <juan.g71 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:juan.g71 at gmail.com> <mailto:juan.g71 at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:juan.g71 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:29:06 -0700
>>>> Seth <list at sysfu.com <mailto:list at sysfu.com>
>> <mailto:list at sysfu.com> <mailto:list at sysfu.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > It's about damn time ;)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>
http://chronicle.su/2015/03/07/greenwald-scahill-step-down-from-the-intercept/
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>> is this some kind of stupid 'joke' ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> NYC 646-436-7795 <tel:646-436-7795>
>>>> carimachet at gmail.com <mailto:carimachet at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:carimachet at gmail.com> <mailto:carimachet at gmail.com>
>>>> AIM carismachet
>>>> Syria +963-099 277 3243
>>>> Amman +962 077 636 9407
>>>> Berlin +49 152 11779219 <tel:%2B49%20152%2011779219>
>>>> Reykjavik +354 894 8650 <tel:%2B354%20894%208650>
>>>> Twitter: @carimachet <https://twitter.com/carimachet>
>> <https://twitter.com/carimachet>
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>>> AIM carismachet
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