Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept

Mon Apr 6 17:12:51 PDT 2015

dear razor

soldiers sign up to be filmed as far as i am concerned they have sold
themselves - the journalist was not in the frame so i dont see why you
think it relates to this argument - i think soldiers should always be
filmed like the cops because i think the role they play is super psychotic
- maybe if the images of them and what they are doing were distributed more
it would be helpful

i think it would have been ethical for scahill to film the dead body in the
morgue - it would be great if they had the permission of the family but...
its that he was in the frame thats really my big problem

also the person in the scene with scahill - a white man - is a person of
color (POC) which also was super problematic for me

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:02 AM, Cari Machet <carimachet at gmail.com> wrote:

> mirimir - heres some fucked up people (laura poitras) talkin about the
> shit
>
> https://youtu.be/KzZfOOvwAMM?t=22m44s
>
> i found that area of the report its at 22:44 the link should take you there
>
> even laura at least thinks about when to film / when not to
>
> btw she talked snowden into filming in hong kong - was it ethical for her
> to do it as he was under incredible duress?? i dont know .... i question
> her and glenns role and wikileaks role in him being now trapped in russia
> but maybe its the best place for him i dont know ... but i still get to
> question the ethics of their role... there are other places he could have
> gone
>
> my problem with laura as with jeremy is that they are too capitalistic and
> therein breech ethics
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>
>> On 04/06/2015 04:01 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
>> > mirimir - you prove you know what was in the mind of the filmmaker and
>> then
>> > prove that the overriding factor in any documentary is absolutely what
>> was
>> > in the mind of the filmmaker
>>
>> I prove nothing. I have opinions.
>>
>> > could it possible be that the story matters more than the filmmaker - ya
>> > think maybe ? maybe possibly ?
>>
>> What matters most, to me, is that he made the documentary. And in that
>> context, it seems odd to focus on his artistic (even moral) choices in
>> how to make it.
>>
>> > plus your 'proposiition' is not evidence - its no excuse for him
>> exploiting
>> > a dead body anyway
>>
>> You say "exploiting", and I say "making it real".
>>
>> > people when you are an ethical journalist you are careful not to exploit
>> > images of children, people that are unconscious etc as they do not have
>> a
>> > say in the image content - if this is breeched it is possible they are
>> > being exploited but to then place oneself in the frame is just beyond
>> all
>> > of that even - that is totally unethical
>>
>> So you say. Do you have cites for that?
>>
>> > On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 04/06/2015 02:45 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
>> >>> scahill was being filmed in the fucking morgue not at the site of the
>> >> drone
>> >>> strike - the persons body was on a slab for fuck sake
>> >>>
>> >>> ambulance chasing times 1 trillion
>> >>
>> >> The point, which you seem to miss, was to make it real for the
>> audience.
>> >> It would have been better to shoot footage at the site of the drone
>> >> strike, of course. But I presume that the crew didn't arrive in time
>> for
>> >> that. Anyway, by putting Scahill in the shot, they emphasize that he
>> was
>> >> there, and actually saw the victims. That could be CGIed, and so the
>> >> audience still needs to trust him.
>> >>
>> >>> you humans can give him every fucking award that exists in your
>> >> arsenal...
>> >>> i wont line up
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 04/06/2015 12:22 PM, Bethany wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 06/04/15 12:59 PM, Cari Machet wrote:
>> >>>>>> its not a 'claim' watch his film that was up for an academy award
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> there is a scene in mogadishu where he is in the morgue there is a
>> >>>>> dead body and him in the scene he is standing right next to it - the
>> >>>>> person was hit by a drone strike
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> no journalist gets filmed with dead bodies it is unethical it never
>> >>>>> happens
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> perhaps if you were a journalist in the field you would understand
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Absolutely. The first thing any good journalist should think when
>> he's
>> >>>>> investigating drone strikes and is permitted to witness the
>> examination
>> >>>>> of a body of a victim is "shit, don't film me here, where I am! So
>> >>>> gauche!"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You're being ironic, I trust.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I rather think that "Dirty Wars" should have shown lots of remains,
>> and
>> >>>> sequences of people looking for little burned bits scattered about.
>> >>>> Maybe the film did feature too much of Scahill. He's no Michael
>> Moore.
>> >>>> But a scene showing Obama receiving some gift made from a victim's
>> femur
>> >>>> would have been priceless :)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> <SNIP>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
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