cypherpunks Digest, Vol 22, Issue 38

Sat Apr 25 13:04:56 PDT 2015

RE: Cypherpunk Kidz

@Travis Such a good point about "yellow submarine graphics". I didn't want to reply to the whole list, just wanted to say that it's a really spot on remark.
Kids are not idiots.
I'd rather come to a Minecraft server as a kid and as an adult. There are some good MC projects for learning code. Nothing with security twist though I came across.

Barclays is cool, ok, but, I wasn't sure what it has to do with Cypherpunk Kidz - it's not so much about security and encryption? 

We're up for setting up a Minecraft server for this purpose - learn code & security. Let me know if anyone would be interested to join: I can chat about it in detail in separate thread. 
@Rysiek - any thoughts? 
Also - multiplayers so make good live streams. 

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>   1. Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz (Georgi Guninski)
>   2. Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz (Travis Biehn)
>   3. Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz (Razer)
>   4. Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz (Shelley)
>   5. Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz (Juan)
>   6. Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz (Razer)
>   7. Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz (Razer)
>   8. Re: [cryptography] Shamir Reveals Sisyphus Algorithm (John Young)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 19:53:28 +0300
> From: Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com>
> To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz
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>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 08:54:42AM -0700, Razer wrote:
>> 
>> In case the 'adults' here can't find it, the control 'console' is
>> U-Left, with whirlygig on top.
>> 
>> http://barclayscodeplayground.co.uk/
> 
> this appears unusable without javascript and/or cookies.
> 
> not to mention it uses google analytics for spam.
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:48:49 -0400
> From: Travis Biehn <tbiehn@gmail.com>
> To: Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com>
> Cc: "cypherpunks@cpunks.org" <cypherpunks@cpunks.org>
> Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz
> Message-ID:
>    <CAKtE3zcX9e6d0ghYRJkZSnYDOd6C4s5Hj24suB=d7YCDmMUX5A@mail.gmail.com>
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> We're left to guess at what the point is but I doubt that Barclay's use of
> javascript, cookies and analytics platforms are what Razer is pointing out.
> I presume that Razer is miffed at the obvious indoctrination play that
> comes off as a bit creepy. Perhaps Razer would like to see a Cpunks themed
> playground where opsec is taught to toddlers?
> 
> "If you*re aged 7- 17
> and enjoyed Barclays Code Playground,
> we’d love you to
> come along to a
> coding session in branch.
> 
> <There*llThere'll be tips,
> ch@llengeschallenges
> and many more things to code.
> 
>> Our trained Digital Eagles
> will be there
> to help you take your
> coding skills
> <to the next level."
> 
> Barclay's bank, you know they're cool because they use the wrong symbols
> for punctuation and substitute letters for look-alike glyphs.
> 
> -Travis
> 
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 08:54:42AM -0700, Razer wrote:
>>> 
>>> In case the 'adults' here can't find it, the control 'console' is
>>> U-Left, with whirlygig on top.
>>> 
>>> http://barclayscodeplayground.co.uk/
>> 
>> this appears unusable without javascript and/or cookies.
>> 
>> not to mention it uses google analytics for spam.
> 
> 
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> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:10:34 -0700
> From: Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net>
> To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz
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>> On 04/24/2015 09:53 AM, Georgi Guninski quoted me & wrote:
>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 08:54:42AM -0700, Razer wrote:
>>> In case the 'adults' here can't find it, the control 'console' is
>>> U-Left, with whirlygig on top.
>>> 
>>> http://barclayscodeplayground.co.uk/
>> this appears unusable without javascript
> 
> You miss the point. CODING. Besides, I'm absofuckinglutely sure BARCLAYS
> put all sorts of nasty Jscripts onsite to tamper with kid's computers.
> 
>> and/or cookies.
> 
> I didn't inspect the text bodies but their names indicate they're there
> to prove you viewed their cookie policy. Besides, the intertubz wouldn't
> work very well without them. (Get out much?) Use a cookie cleaner
> occasionally and block 3rd party cookies. Problem solved.
> 
>> 
>> not to mention it uses google analytics for spam.
> 
> GhostServ or NoScript blocks it. No site NEEDS it to function correctly.
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:49:51 -0700
> From: Shelley <shelley@misanthropia.org>
> To: <cypherpunks@cpunks.org>
> Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz
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>> On April 24, 2015 11:39:14 AM Travis Biehn <tbiehn@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We're left to guess at what the point is but I doubt that Barclay's use of 
>> javascript, cookies and analytics platforms are what Razer is pointing out.
> 
> Obviously not.  But the use of such nonsense (all of which I block) will 
> keep people like me from wasting time by going to the site, so I thank 
> Georgi for the heads-up.
> 
> -S
> 
> 
>> I presume that Razer is miffed at the obvious indoctrination play that
>> comes off as a bit creepy. Perhaps Razer would like to see a Cpunks themed
>> playground where opsec is taught to toddlers?
>> 
>> "If you*re aged 7- 17
>> and enjoyed Barclays Code Playground,
>> we’d love you to
>> come along to a
>> coding session in branch.
>> 
>> <There*llThere'll be tips,
>> ch@llengeschallenges
>> and many more things to code.
>> 
>>> Our trained Digital Eagles
>> will be there
>> to help you take your
>> coding skills
>> <to the next level."
>> 
>> Barclay's bank, you know they're cool because they use the wrong symbols
>> for punctuation and substitute letters for look-alike glyphs.
>> 
>> -Travis
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 08:54:42AM -0700, Razer wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> In case the 'adults' here can't find it, the control 'console' is
>>>> U-Left, with whirlygig on top.
>>>> 
>>>> http://barclayscodeplayground.co.uk/
>>> 
>>> this appears unusable without javascript and/or cookies.
>>> 
>>> not to mention it uses google analytics for spam.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 16:00:02 -0300
> From: Juan <juan.g71@gmail.com>
> To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz
> Message-ID: <553a91af.4cc28c0a.1bad.ffffead8@mx.google.com>
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> 
>    children like cookies
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:09:52 -0700
> From: Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net>
> To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz
> Message-ID: <553AA310.9000707@riseup.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> 
> 
>> On 04/24/2015 10:48 AM, Travis Biehn wrote:
>> Perhaps Razer would like to see a Cpunks themed playground where opsec
>> is taught to toddlers?
> 
> Cool! We getz to sling tarballs at each other too?
> 
> Re:
>> I presume that Razer is miffed at the obvious indoctrination play that
>> comes off as a bit creepy.
> 
> What kind of creeps me is the Yellow Submarine-like graphics, a
> throwback to my teen years. If they REALLY want to attract kids nowdays
> Miley Cyrus 1/2 nekkid Twerking gifs and Call of Duty gamergore would
> probably attract more.
> 
> BTW, and OT, I think I've found the first recorded use of the word "Twerk".
> 
> Frank Zappa's tender Autumn/Spring love ballad, Magdalena. Albeit none
> of the lyrics sites show that word in the song, it's plainly there if
> one listens to the track.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKFUOnnSF0c (incl. Dog Breath).
> 
>> There was a man
>> A little ole man
>> Who lived in Montreal
>> With a wife and a kid
>> And a car and a house
>> And a teenage daughter
>> With a see-thru blouse
>> Who loved to TWERK (grunt) and ball-
>> And her name was Magdalena
>> 
>> Magdalena . . .
>> 
>> The little ole man
>> Came home one night
>> To his house in Montreal.
>> He caught his daughter
>> In the blouse by the light
>> And he said to himself:
>> "She looks all right!"
>> And he reached for a tit
>> And grabbed it tight
>> And threw her up
>> Against the wall
>> (BLUE CROSS!)
>> Magdalena . . .
>> 
>> My daughter dear,
>> Do not be concerned when your
>> Canadian daddy comes near.
>> My daughter dear
>> Do not be concerned when your
>> Canadian daddy comes near.
>> I work so hard,
>> Don't you understand,
>> Making maple syrup
>> For the pancakes of our land.
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> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:11:56 -0700
> From: Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net>
> To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz
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> +1
> 
>> On 04/24/2015 12:00 PM, Juan wrote:
>>    children like cookies
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 10:44:47 -0400
> From: John Young <jya@pipeline.com>
> To: Ben Laurie <ben@links.org>
> Cc: cpunks <cypherpunks@cpunks.org>, cryptome@freelists.org,
>    Cryptography Mailing List <cryptography@metzdowd.com>, Crypto
>    discussion list <cryptography@randombit.net>
> Subject: Re: [cryptography] Shamir Reveals Sisyphus Algorithm
> Message-ID: <E1Ym1Is-0004ua-W7@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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> 
> Indeed. Inherent leakiness of digital technology is a gift of Olympus,
> aka James Bidzos aka RSA. Never enough fault-rich crypto.
> 
> Digitalization might be the quintessential foolhardiness, or comsec
> opportunism, which had led to endless apologies, apologias, apoplexies.
> 
> And hurrahs among investors, urging hackers and insiders to spill
> secrets sufficient to assure comsec-panicky buyers. Bug bounties
> hilariously, assuredly, self-defeating as backdoor warnings.
> 
> At 09:49 AM 4/25/2015, Ben Laurie wrote:
>>> On 22 April 2015 at 17:24, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
>>> Futility of trying to eliminate every single vulnerability in a given piece
>>> of software.
>> 
>> The name of the game is to protect the secrets despite bugs. And I
>> don't mean with cryptography.
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