cypherpunks Digest, Vol 22, Issue 6
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Wed Apr 8 15:34:19 PDT 2015
Loosely related to Mike Ingle's mention of Twister and Bitmessage - made me think of Secure Scuttlebutt https://github.com/ssbc/phoenix based on gossip protocol.
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> 1. Re: Dollar Value of a Datamined "Free" Service User? (rysiek)
> 2. Re: Dollar Value of a Datamined "Free" Service User? (grarpamp)
> 3. Re: Dollar Value of a Datamined "Free" Service User? (grarpamp)
> 4. Re: Dollar Value of a Datamined "Free" Service User? (rysiek)
> 5. Re: Warrant Canaries (grarpamp)
> 6. Forward secrecy implemented, was Re: How to have your
> encrypted mail in two places at once (Mike Ingle)
> 7. Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept (Mirimir)
> 8. Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept (Juan)
> 9. Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept (Cari Machet)
> 10. Fwd: The West's Shame (Александр)
> 11. Re: The West's Shame (Zenaan Harkness)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 18:14:31 +0200
> From: rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl>
> To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org, cypherpunks@cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: Dollar Value of a Datamined "Free" Service User?
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> Dnia wtorek, 24 lutego 2015 23:51:52 grarpamp pisze:
>> (...)
>> Anyone have links to studies made within the last five years that
>> have attempted to calculate the dollar value of datamined users?
>
> Have a look around here:
> http://www.inrialpes.fr/planete/people/lukasz/
>
> --
> Pozdrawiam,
> Michał "rysiek" Woźniak
>
> Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147
> GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
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> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 13:47:49 -0400
> From: grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com>
> To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: Dollar Value of a Datamined "Free" Service User?
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>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 12:14 PM, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
>> Dnia wtorek, 24 lutego 2015 23:51:52 grarpamp pisze:
>>> Anyone have links to studies made within the last five years that
>>> have attempted to calculate the dollar value of datamined users?
>>
>> Have a look around here:
>> http://www.inrialpes.fr/planete/people/lukasz/
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2901028/radioshack-puts-customers-personal-data-up-for-sale-in-bankruptcy-auction.html
>
> Privacy policies are obviously a scam.
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 13:52:42 -0400
> From: grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com>
> To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: Dollar Value of a Datamined "Free" Service User?
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>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 1:47 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2901028/radioshack-puts-customers-personal-data-up-for-sale-in-bankruptcy-auction.html
>>
>> Privacy policies are obviously a scam.
>
> http://www.radioshack.com/terms-and-conditions/terms.html
> http://www.radioshack.com/privacy-policy/privacy.html
>
> Information sharing and disclosure
> Agents, employees and contractors of RadioShack who have access to
> personally identifiable information are required to protect this
> information in a manner that is consistent with this Privacy Policy
> and the high standards of the corporation.
>
> Information about you specifically will not be used for any purpose
> other than to carry out the services you requested from RadioShack and
> its affiliates. All of our affiliates have agreed to maintain the
> security and confidentiality of the information we provide to them.
> We will not sell or rent your personally identifiable information to
> anyone at any time.
> We will not use any personal information beyond what is necessary to
> assist us in delivering to you the services you have requested.
> We may send personally identifiable information about you to other
> organizations when:
>
> We have your consent to share the information (you will be provided
> the opportunity to opt-out if you desire). For example, if you opt-in
> for emails we will share this information with our marketing provider.
> We need to share your information in order to provide the product or
> service you have requested. For example, we need to share information
> with credit card providers and shippers to bill and ship the product
> you requested.
> We are required to do so by law, for example, in response to a court
> order or subpoena.
>
>
> whatever
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:17:22 +0200
> From: rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl>
> To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: Dollar Value of a Datamined "Free" Service User?
> Message-ID: <3453437.ETRkulUeq1@lapuntu>
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> Dnia niedziela, 5 kwietnia 2015 13:47:49 grarpamp pisze:
>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 12:14 PM, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
>>> Dnia wtorek, 24 lutego 2015 23:51:52 grarpamp pisze:
>>>> Anyone have links to studies made within the last five years that
>>>> have attempted to calculate the dollar value of datamined users?
>>>
>>> Have a look around here:
>>> http://www.inrialpes.fr/planete/people/lukasz/
>>
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2901028/radioshack-puts-customers-personal-da
>> ta-up-for-sale-in-bankruptcy-auction.html
>>
>> Privacy policies are obviously a scam.
>
> No shit:
> http://rys.io/en/143
>
> ;)
>
> --
> Pozdrawiam,
> Michał "rysiek" Woźniak
>
> Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147
> GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 14:49:32 -0400
> From: grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com>
> To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: Warrant Canaries
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>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Softy <softservant@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> But that is the point of why there is no safety in "everyone flouting the
>> law". Everyone is breaking the law and the persecutors get's to cherry pick
>> who they will target. Most likely a pleasant mix of high profile (with
>> trivial/non-existent penalty) and peon targets (with disproportionate
>> penalty).
>>
>> Consider various Jay Walking, Loitering, Trespassing laws which exist in
>> every town. Do all people always use the crosswalk? Do the persecutors
>> ever ticket people? Not if the Mayor or Business Man Alpha are jay walking,
>> but if I shout to a persecutor driving their armoured patrol car "get off
>> the cell phone" ... you can bet your sweet un-free, psuedo-liberty ass I
>> would be.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1CRIALZ_hI
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 13:08:34 -0700
> From: Mike Ingle <mike@confidantmail.org>
> To: rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl>, cypherpunks@cpunks.org
> Subject: Forward secrecy implemented, was Re: How to have your
> encrypted mail in two places at once
> Message-ID: <55219642.2000509@confidantmail.org>
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> Forward secrecy is now working in Confidant Mail 0.28, and a new version
> with UI improvements will be posted in the next few days. You can rotate
> your encryption subkey and get rid of the old ones. Your key will not
> continuously grow in size. If you have a key on two machines, you do
> have to manually transfer it after a key rotation.
>
> Mike
>
>> On 4/5/2015 8:16 AM, rysiek wrote:
>> Dnia piątek, 13 marca 2015 11:24:30 piszesz:
>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 03, 2015 at 11:30:39AM +0100, rysiek wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dnia wtorek, 3 marca 2015 01:54:26 Mike Ingle pisze:
>>>>
>>>>> IMAP and webmail makes it easy to access your mail on two or more
>>>>> machines, and have all your folders stay in sync. Encryption tends to
>>>>> break that: your inbox might work across machines, but your Sent Items
>>>>> and personal folders tend to be stuck on one machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Confidant Mail 0.24 has a solution for that problem. You can have the
>>>>> same GPG key on two or more machines. Using a secure replication
>>>>> protocol, your sent items, read status of incoming mail, personal
>>>>> folders, and deletions are all automatically copied to the other
>>>>> machines. This provides an IMAP-like experience with encrypted mail.
>>>> Why not use different subkeys per-machine? Just remember to encrypt with
>>>> all subkeys. Also, GPG-enabled webmail, am I reading it correctly?..
>>> I keep waiting for something interesting to happen that uses blockchains
>>> and their private keys for storing, encrypting, distributing, and monetizing
>>> messages.
>>
>> http://twister.net.co/
>> https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Main_Page
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 15:46:56 -0600
> From: Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net>
> To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept
> Message-ID: <5521AD50.5040204@riseup.net>
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>> On 04/04/2015 11:29 PM, Seth wrote:
>> It's about damn time ;)
>>
>> http://chronicle.su/2015/03/07/greenwald-scahill-step-down-from-the-intercept/
>
> <SNIP>
>
> | Glenn Greenwald
> | March 9, 2015 at 9:49 pm · Reply
> |
> | ***pokes you with digital pitchfork***
>
> ... and ...
>
> | Britain Used Spy Team to Shape Latin American
> | Public Opinion on Falklands
> | By Andrew Fishman and Glenn Greenwald
> | @AndrewDFish @ggreenwald 04/02/2015 10:51 AM
>
> https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/04/02/gchq-argentina-falklands/
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 20:58:19 -0300
> From: Juan <juan.g71@gmail.com>
> To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept
> Message-ID: <5521cb3c.88c98c0a.37e3.ffff93aa@mx.google.com>
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> On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:29:06 -0700
> Seth <list@sysfu.com> wrote:
>
>> It's about damn time ;)
>>
>> http://chronicle.su/2015/03/07/greenwald-scahill-step-down-from-the-intercept/
>
>
> is this some kind of stupid 'joke' ?
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 03:35:10 +0200
> From: Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com>
> To: Juan <juan.g71@gmail.com>
> Cc: cpunks <cypherpunks@cpunks.org>
> Subject: Re: Greenwald, Scahill step down from The Intercept
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> thank you!!
>
> i just want to say that @jeremyscahill took a selfie with a (murdered) dead
> body which no & i mean no journalist does - no one ... he is a very sick
> capitalist fascist
>
> he has done more than this but i wont go on & on
>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:29:06 -0700
>> Seth <list@sysfu.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It's about damn time ;)
>> http://chronicle.su/2015/03/07/greenwald-scahill-step-down-from-the-intercept/
>>
>>
>> is this some kind of stupid 'joke' ?
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 07:16:13 +0300
> From: Александр <afalex169@gmail.com>
> To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org
> Subject: Fwd: The West's Shame
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> Brad Cabana
>
> The West's Shame
>
> There is something so bizarre, so inhumane about Western countries
> boycotting the parade for the 70th anniversary of the Soviet victory over
> Germany in World War II that I just had to write on it. Recently, the prime
> minister of the United Kingdom announced he will not be attending the
> parade. Previous to that, countries like Germany and the United States had
> announced the same. It's only a parade you say? No it's more than that.
>
> The Soviet Union sacrificed 25 million people to defeat Nazi Germany in
> World War II. A sacrifice beyond imagination, and far, far greater than all
> the countries fighting Nazi Germany combined. In comparison, the Holocaust,
> which is rightly remembered annually, claimed the lives of six million
> people of the Jewish faith. These are really the two true tragedy's of
> World War II unleashed on the world by Nazi Germany. The stories of Soviet
> soldiers advancing without weapons to pickup the rifle of the next dead
> soldier are well known. The bloodbath of Stalingrad, the siege of
> Leningrad, the millions of Soviet soldiers killed and captured (only to
> then die in POW camps) during the early days of the German invasion, and so
> on, all markers of the brutality of man against his own, stand large in the
> history of the world. In fact, the German invasion of the Soviet Union
> stands as the largest military battle in the history of man.
>
> Yet, western leaders have decided to not attend the parade that is meant to
> honour that sacrifice. When Britain announced it would not attend, well,
> that's the straw that broke the camel's back frankly. Of all the countries
> in the world, Britain was saved by the massive waves of young Soviet men
> and woman that bled the German army white. Hitler would have crushed
> Britain in short order if he had not diverted millions of German men to the
> invasion of the Soviet Union. Crucially, the diversion of aircraft,
> fighters and bombers, to the Soviet front saved Britain from the entire
> annihilation of a full blown, continuous air campaign, and the subsequent
> naval invasion that would certainly have occurred. In reality, the western
> allies left Stalin almost alone in Europe to battle the Nazi's, and take
> the majority of the casualties in doing so. By the time D-Day finally
> arrived, the German army and air force was only a shadow of it's former
> self as it existed in 1941. As bad and hard as it was for the allies to
> march east through Europe to Berlin, without the Soviet people's sacrifice,
> it would have never happened.
>
> It's a place of honour in human history. To quarrel with that is to go
> beyond ignorance. To quarrel with that is the hateful and arrogant bastion
> of the very seeds that caused World War II in the first place. And now, as
> if history is repeating itself, Western leaders have entered that bastion
> of ignorance and arrogance to punish Russia for the Ukrainian civil war. By
> contrast, Russian president Putin, despite the ongoing conflict in Ukraine,
> attended the 70th anniversary of the D-Day landings in France last year. He
> was given the proverbial cold shoulder by western leaders, yet he subjected
> himself to that, in honour of the sacrifice of the men of Canada, Britain
> and the United States. He did not ignore the history or the price in blood
> of that action. He honoured it. He put the sacrifice ahead of his political
> position, and it could even be said his personal shunning. Now that the
> time is here to do the same for the Soviet Union's dead, we cannot bring
> ourselves to do the same.
>
> What that says about us is really quite obvious. It means we haven't
> learned the lessons of history. That our political leadership has become so
> petty, so detached from historical reality, that it attempts to rewrite the
> history of 25 million souls. That is the danger of all of this. Russians
> don't really need the West to honour their sacrifice. They know it all too
> well. It's the West that needs to honour that sacrifice so it can clearly
> see the dangers of war on a scale far more destructive than anything it
> experienced on the western front, or anywhere else in history. Poland
> started this train rolling by refusing to invite the Russian president to
> the Holocaust remembrance at Auschwitz last year. This despite the fact
> that the Soviet army liberated all of Poland, and specifically Auschwitz
> from German armies.
>
> The actions of our western politicians say more about us than the Russians
> could ever say themselves. They have portrayed us as people who refuse to
> honour the dead, those that gave their lives in another time to defeat a
> tyrant bent on world domination, and in doing so dishonour those men and
> women. As the son of a young man, training in England, fighting in North
> Africa, Italy, Holland, and Germany through those tumultuous years of war
> and senseless slaughter, I recognize the Soviet sacrifice that probably
> saved my Dad's life. How could you not? Yet, that is exactly what our
> politicians are doing today. You don't have to be a lover of this country,
> or that country to recognize and honour grave human injustice committed on
> a massive scale. You just have to be humane, and subordinate your own bias
> in the remembrance of the fallen. Is that really so hard? Isn't that what
> is expected of us all? Wouldn't we expect that from our children? I've
> never been so ashamed of the actions of our governments than I am now with
> the boycott of that parade in Moscow.
>
> http://rocksolidpolitics.blogspot.ru/2015/03/the-wests-shame.html
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 15:02:12 +1000
> From: Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net>
> To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: The West's Shame
> Message-ID:
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> "The West", as the "western media" and those families who control "the
> western media", have a lot to answer for indeed.
>
> Sadly, the cycle of famine war recovery wealth, has lead once again to
> slothfulness, greed, corruption, impatience, pride and the fall (of
> "the west") that we are now witnessing. It's an age old cycle on this
> planet.
>
> Zenaan
>
>
>> On 4/6/15, Александр <afalex169@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Brad Cabana
>>
>> The West's Shame
>>
>> There is something so bizarre, so inhumane about Western countries
>> boycotting the parade for the 70th anniversary of the Soviet victory over
>> Germany in World War II that I just had to write on it. Recently, the prime
>> minister of the United Kingdom announced he will not be attending the
>> parade. Previous to that, countries like Germany and the United States had
>> announced the same. It's only a parade you say? No it's more than that.
>>
>> The Soviet Union sacrificed 25 million people to defeat Nazi Germany in
>> World War II. A sacrifice beyond imagination, and far, far greater than all
>> the countries fighting Nazi Germany combined. In comparison, the Holocaust,
>> which is rightly remembered annually, claimed the lives of six million
>> people of the Jewish faith. These are really the two true tragedy's of
>> World War II unleashed on the world by Nazi Germany. The stories of Soviet
>> soldiers advancing without weapons to pickup the rifle of the next dead
>> soldier are well known. The bloodbath of Stalingrad, the siege of
>> Leningrad, the millions of Soviet soldiers killed and captured (only to
>> then die in POW camps) during the early days of the German invasion, and so
>> on, all markers of the brutality of man against his own, stand large in the
>> history of the world. In fact, the German invasion of the Soviet Union
>> stands as the largest military battle in the history of man.
>>
>> Yet, western leaders have decided to not attend the parade that is meant to
>> honour that sacrifice. When Britain announced it would not attend, well,
> ...
>
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