GamerGate

Dāvis Mosāns davispuh at gmail.com
Mon Oct 27 15:49:29 PDT 2014


2014-10-27 4:48 GMT+02:00 Griffin Boyce <griffin at cryptolab.net>:

> Dāvis Mosāns wrote:
>
>> Anyway GamerGate is really complex issue and it's not only
>> about journalism. My suggestion would be, look here
>>
>
>   If gamergaters spent half as much time trying to fix systemic problems
> that they claim to care about as they do correcting "misconceptions" about
> gamergate, I *might* start to take them seriously.
>
>   Want to fix games journalism?  Why not start with the large corporations
> that bribe their way into getting good reviews at large publications that
> lead to millions of dollars in sales.  Target EA, who just this week went
> to court to defend against a class-action lawsuit filed by gamers.  While
> the court found in their favor, they *also* determined that the statements
> put out by EA were "puffery" and did not reflect reality.  How will this
> impact the industry going forward?  Does #GamerGate bother having an
> opinion on this?
>
>
I don't really see how anything could be fixed or like what steps gamers
should take to fix it? Also I haven't seen any bribing accusations and if
someone would have a proof, I'm sure there would huge backslash and
probably lawsuit. Of course gamers know that EA is 2nd worst game company,
right after Ubisoft, but there's nothing really changeable about it as a
lot of people still buy their games and will continue to do so, because
they've some good games and others just don't care about it. Anyway people
talk most about what other's share and talk about so that's exactly why
there's nothing much about anything else, people just don't talk about it.
So you really need some controversially otherwise that story won't be
talked about, because there's nothing more to say than - "that's bad".


>   Targeting female indie developers is complete weaksauce.  And the fact
> that this comprises the vast majority of #GamerGate's "activism" proves the
> allegation that it's filled with whiny man-babies.
>
> GamerGate is not about that, you've read too much into some propaganda. I
know only single such case about 1 game. And I haven't seen any harassers
admitting that they do it for GamerGate or journalism, but IMO they're just
trolls who like to use this opportunity. They like publicity (even if it's
bad) and that's what they're getting. I'm not sure if you can imagine this
mindset, but I can't deny that it must be exciting to read news story about
death threats you wrote. It actually encourages to do it again. There's
well know internet Rule 14 "Do not argue with trolls — it means that they
win." so as usual - Don't feed the trolls.


>  And note, that, it's not only gamers who support GamerGate, but
>> also game developers, including females (see #NotYourShield).
>>
>
>   You know what I *don't* care about?  People I don't know who supposedly
> shagged other people I don't know.  No one whose opinion matters cares
> about this hypothetical scandal.  It's all a pseudo-intellectual circlejerk.
>
>   You either care about journalistic ethics enough to target large
> corporations and key players, or you're just fucking around.  Seriously.
> This is as true for you (yes, you personally) as it is for the #NSA #GCHQ
> crowd.
>
> I don't really care either, but look at this thread, we're still here
writing our opinions about it. Also if you've some recent examples of
you're named large gaming corporation wrongdoings then tell them and I'll
gladly share them with others.


2014-10-27 12:11 GMT+02:00 Cathal Garvey <cathalgarvey at cathalgarvey.me>:

>
> So, a 'movement' that claims to want "journalistic integrity", which
> absent press censorship means "self regulation", can't be bothered policing
> its own ranks to stop misogynistic slander and death-threats. How many
> "Gamergaters" spend time chasing others for doxxing, threatening and
> slandering women in technology? As many as actually take part in these
> acts? I doubt it, and I see no evidence of such self-policing at a
> meaningful scale.
>
> like that would be possible. GamerGate is anonymous, leaderless movement
without precisely defined goal and means how to acquire it. It's somewhat
similar to Anonymous. Also why anti-GamerGate people can't be bothered
policing their own ranks? There are a lot of examples how they harass
GamerGate supporters, eg.
https://twitter.com/QueenyMartha/status/522531549393076224 and for a lot
more look http://gamergateharassment.tumblr.com/  Like I said, trolls are
everywhere. And actually you're wrong about this, there are so called
"#GamerGate Harassment Patrol" where they report any harassment they see,
look at this
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/10/25/While-the-Media-Slanders-Gamers-as-Terrorists-GamerGate-Is-Hunting-Trolls-and-Abusers
while anti-GamerGate just keep claiming how misogynistic GamerGate is
without doing anything else. To be honest, I don't see their point at all.
Let's assume that GamerGate indeed is all misogynists and so what? It's not
like anything will change because some feminists are offended.



> I'm sure there are honest, decent people using the "Gamergate" flag to
> call for something-something, but the fact that they're using that flag
> after it's been so thoroughly dragged through the muck *by other
> gamergaters* shows that they are content to accept misogyny in exchange for
> trending status on Twitter, rather than forking what's become more of a
> *bowel* movement into something with a measure of the integrity they claim
> to demand of others.
>
>  It was media and new stories who smeared it all and they are not
admitting that they made mistake by presenting it as just a hate movement,
if that would be case, it would have ended a long time ago. Also about
accepting misogyny - I just don't see it. Some people have concentrated on
that so much that they don't see anything else.


Anyway I've too different opinion about this and IMO this discussion is
pointless timewaste. I would even say it could be classified as spam for
this list as I don't really see what's here related to Cyberpunk.
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