CITIZENFOUR

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Hello,

John, for some reason your name reminds me of someone who I think was
the ninth person to walk on the moon?  Same John Young? (long shot I
know) Just kidding though - you are the founder of Cryptome, right?

Anyway, It's not my intent here to ruffle any feathers (on this
thread), but I did want to suggest (and I'm sure someone has already
thought of this) that people be able to search for their names or IDs
in (searchable) databases of leaked info.

I think this came up in a thread on twitter some while back actually...
https://twitter.com/AnonyOdinn/status/344585372216487937

(That twitter thread was from a discussion in mid-2013[!] which
referenced MainCore and also (different than MainCore) a 'list of
targets' that Greenwald had mentioned, but regardless of if it's
MainCore or Greenwald's 'list of targets' or other such thing, I think
searchability is really important, which of course implies that really
all the data should be made available in some kind of format to allow
keyword searches.)

- -Odinn


John Young wrote:
> Thanks for the comments.
> 
> Screenshots most welcome. cryptome[at]earthlink.net or pointers.
> 
> Greenwald's mercenary greed is why only 97% of Snowden docs have
> been released. His and cohorts criminal behavior puts citizens in
> harms way to protect the natsec apparatus including natsec media.
> 
> 
> At 02:58 PM 10/24/2014, you wrote:
>> Saw this last night - an obvious must-watch for all CPunks. I
>> think it was probably the most important documentary film of all
>> time. As Roger Ebert said, "it’s as if Daniel Ellsberg had a
>> friend with a movie camera who filmed his disclosure of the
>> Pentagon Papers every step of the way. Or if the Watergate
>> burglars had taken along a filmmaker who shot their crimes and
>> the cover-up that followed. Except that the issues
>> “Citizenfour” deals with are, arguably, a thousand times more
>> potent than Vietnam or Watergate." Truly, this is the Snowden 
>> story we have been waiting for since 2013.
>> 
>> The main revelation of the film, however, is what an incredible
>> boob Glenn Greenwald is. I had some idea of this after seeing him
>> give an extremely disappointing talk earlier this year, but I
>> don't think I quite understood how useless this guy really is.
>> He's constantly asking the wrong questions, displays a technical
>> ineptness (to the point of deliberate ignorance) that obviously
>> hampers the journalism, and at very step shows a very clear
>> desire to keep the document cache to himself for careerist
>> purposes. At one point Ewen MacAskill brings up the idea of there
>> being a Wikileaks-esque document explorer, and Ed says that this
>> would be the best outcome for the documents, and Greenwald
>> quickly dismisses the idea to talk about his publishing schedule.
>> I still have immense respect for him, but I found it very 
>> frustrating and quite cringey to watch him treat the whole event
>> in news-cycle terms, while everybody around him is obviously
>> thinking in historical context. For instance, there is a moment
>> when they are prepping for Ed's first on-camera interview and he
>> asks the reporters how much background he should give about
>> himself, and they give different answers. Poitras asks for as
>> much detail as possible, and Greenwald basically says that isn't
>> important, just be short so we get a good soundbite.
>> 
>> More importantly, I think the film also misses an opportunity to
>> talk about power. This is something Edward himself has addressed,
>> but it isn't really covered in Greenwald's reporting or books,
>> and the only time it's mentioned in the film is when Jacob
>> Appelbaum, while speaking before a European council of some sort,
>> quite astutely comments that surveillance and control are one and
>> the same. I think the film should probably have spent another
>> hour or so investigating, naming and confronting those who profit
>> from that control. Other than a few choice C-SPAN snippets, the
>> enemy is completely faceless, which plays well for the pervading
>> sense paranoia which envelops the film, but also leaves many
>> questions unasked. Perhaps that's left as an exercise for the
>> viewer, but I think the general take-away message from both the
>> reporting and to a slightly lesser extent the film is that any
>> "solution" will be token reform of policy and not dismantlement
>> of power structures.
>> 
>> Also, very nice of the Russian government to let Ed have his 
>> girlfriend back. I didn't know that had happened, and it gives a 
>> rather unexpected happy ending to a film which otherwise made me
>> want to cry desperately.
>> 
>> Anyway, I'd be very interested to hear what you lot thought of
>> it. (JY, you should throw a torrent up ASAP! I'm sure people will
>> be screenshotting and analyzing all of the new document shots the
>> film contains.)
>> 
>> R
> 

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