[tor-talk] Facebook brute forcing hidden services

[edhelas]

I can resume this fragmentation issue by a simple sentence that I'm 
saying more and more these days : "If you have a problem, do not write 
an API, write a protocol".

The social federation protocol is already here : it's XMPP. And yes it 
can support everything a social network has to offer (feeds, 
subscriptions, profiles, contact list…). There is already millions of 
users on the XMPP network, and you can easily find several clients on 
all the plateforms for it.

I'm working since 2008 on the Movim project (https://movim.eu/), to 
build a full, good looking, "decentralized" (federated) and open source 
social network on XMPP. And believe me, yes it's possible.

I like the link that the guy made in the presentation with Firefox. Why 
Firefox surpassed IE ? Because they just choose to implement the W3C 
standards and try to improve it (and they offer some nice features too).

Diaspora, GNU Social, Friendica are not trying to do that, they create 
their own "proprietary" protocol to talk between each other and after 
that face the same issues than all the others network : "Hey, we are 
not compatibles ! Lets create an API and the other networks will be 
compatible with us".

So keep calm and implement XMPP ;)

Tim

On dim., nov. 2, 2014 at 2:17 , tigrutigru at gmail.com wrote:
> I've been to FSCONS today session: "Blurry line between private 
> service and public infrastructure"
> covering a problem with decentralised, federated services and 
> platforms which can be used as an alternative to FB.
> 
> There are many (Diaspora, Frendica, GNU social etc) , but use 
> incompatible protocols, making it hard for users to choose, and 
> fragmenting the community, making it look weak and small. Another 
> problem is that most of them don't have client API's and do have a 
> sorry-looking interface.
> 
> However, if those platforms would be compatible and talk to each 
> other - in a session it was called "The Federation", this problem of 
> fragmentation and poor user database is solved.
> 
> So far is the most promising solution I heard which can help to get 
> people of Facebook hook, or at least use it when absolutely 
> necessary, not to post your entire life on it.
> 
> Most "evil" services we use, just need a decent easy to use 
> functional alternative.
> 
> In the actual lecture the federation of decentralised social networks 
> is described from the 28th minute 
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R_uvYp3fog4
> 
> On 1 Nov 2014, at 17:00, cypherpunks-request at cpunks.org wrote:
> 
>> Re: [tor-talk] Facebook brute forcing hidden services
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