Swartz, Weev & radical libertarian lexicon (Re: Jacob Appelbaum in Germany - Aaron Swartz)

Wed Jan 8 19:10:31 PST 2014

On 1/9/14, Juan Garofalo <juan.g71 at gmail.com> wrote:

> 	Let's say I grow my own food. Do you think I'm the onwer of the food I
> grow? Or maybe some people, let's call them the 'government', have a
> 'right' to my food?

if u really want to know what i think then u need to know my thought
processies are not like "white" ppl > ideas of ownership are foreign
to me i am native american and most tribes though they lived in areas
didnt consider ownership of them but a co-creative partnership - re:
food > when my people hunted buffalo in the plains they didnt just
indiscriminately kill buffalo they weeded the herd and were mindful to
examine how they could be of help to the herd it was only intelligent
to do so as it kept their source of food and clothing healthy and
vibrant but also it was respectful of life

so there are people that give food away for free right now today > why
would they do that?

>
> 	If I'm not the 'absolute' owner of my person and what I produce, who is
> it?

well i think ideas are in the air and we build on the shoulders of
giants so production is owed down thru the ages and i think there isnt
really a you basically > your first form i would say is life itself
and you are made mostly of water and some minerals (dirt) and when you
'die' your body dissipates like a cloud - i dont think 'you' die i
think you just transform

so there is no 'you' to have ownership > would you say life owns life
? that would be odd > i think ownership is an illusion i also think
you didnt make yourself so that would be a glitch in your argument > i
mean i think you had a bit to say in the matter but we are very
limited mathematical concoctions (gorgeously made and amazing but
limited) we cant presently manufacture ourselves in order to "own"
ourselves but even then we wouldnt be independent of life itself so
... > maybe in future we will manufacture ourselves but there is
probably going to be a divisive factor in the manufacturing of life
forms (divisive as in schism - not workin so good - should be
interesting but already happening w/ monsanto actually so...)

i think the idea of ownership was made by rulers (seen thru millenia
but look at the magna carta which will be 800 in 2015) i want as
little to do with rulers thought patterns and functioning as possible

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>> but to parse it for you believing in
>> something is about religion which is smoke and mirrors + the public
>> sphere is waning if you havent noticed
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> 	Not sure what you mean by the public sphere, but what I understand by the
> public sphere isn't exactly waning.
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>> but its not so much an
>> emergency but an emergence of the collective ... an opportunity > your
>> choice to be mindful of the reality or not
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>> klein is an economist
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> 	yeah well, so were keynes and marx. Or at least there are people who think
> they were 'economists'...
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>> On 1/9/14, Juan Garofalo <juan.g71 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>> --On Wednesday, January 08, 2014 11:11 PM +0100 Cari Machet
>>> <carimachet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> to all the libratarians on the planet that 'believe' in ownership
>>>
>>> 	In case you're addressing me... =P
>>>
>>> 	(well, you seem to be talking to James, but replied to a post of mine,
>>> 	so I'm not sure)
>>>
>>> 	
>>>>
>>>> 'belief' and 'ownership' are idiotic arcane notions of anthropocentric
>>>> type amygdala activity
>>>>
>>>> https://archive.org/details/The_Shock_Doctrine.The_Rise_of_Disaster_Cap
>>>> it alism
>>>
>>>
>>> 	Is Klein some kind of radical anarcho communist? If not she probably
>>> subscribes to some notion of private property...
>>>
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>>>>
>>>> this means you james > with a caveat that obama is a disgusting
>>>> reflection of the system and ppl were ill informed to think he wasnt >
>>>> i offer this piece by naomi klein in dispute of your 'ideology' seen
>>>> thru your crummy/flimmsy/pathetic analysis of aaron's work
>>>>
>>>> if you have seen it then you have no excuse for your mindset > if you
>>>> have not seen it i dare you to debate its consciousness
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/8/14, Juan Garofalo <juan.g71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --On Wednesday, January 08, 2014 6:59 AM -0500 Ulex Europae
>>>>> <europus at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> At 02:07 AM 1/8/2014, Juan Garofalo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         fucking americunt fascist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Russian emigre. Yes there is a difference, and yes that is relevant.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 	As a transplanted nationalist, she was even more rabid than home
>>>>> grown
>>>>> nationalists. That's the first(and only) difference that comes to
>>>>> mind...
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>>>>>> --ue
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>>>> --
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>>>> NYC 646-436-7795
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