Earlier Detweiler ravings!!

[Griffin Boyce]

   The amount of fucks I give about this can be conveniently stored 
within a thimble.  If the drama is twenty years hence, maybe it's time 
to move beyond it?

~Griffin


On 2014-01-08 11:49, gwen hastings wrote:
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> subject: Paranoia Strikes Deep...
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> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 93 21:32:28 -0700
> From: "L. Detweiler" <ld231782>
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> Hello, I have been hearing some rumors about the cypherpunks
> being `penetrated' by some spies and areas of the Internet
> (mailing lists, newsgroups, private mail, journal articles, etc.)
> being targeted with `tentacle' infiltrations. I thought this was
> kind of fascinating to contemplate how they would behave. It
> seems to me that loyalty is very hard to judge by mere email
> messages alone, and that these hypothetical spies might take that
> to their advantage. Here are some of the things that either
> cypherpunk loyalists (cyberanarchists) or cy{b,ph}erwonk spies
> might say to gain credibility and further `intelligence' from
> insiders:
> 
> - L.Detweiler is insane, has sent death threats, is behind
> S.Boxx, is involved in cyberspatial guerrila warfare, is the
> mastermind of a spy plot, etc. He is the only person in the world
> who cares about pseudospoofing. (All the complete ad hominem
> fantasy stuff).
> 
> - `T.C. May and E.Hughes and J.Gilmore are all outstanding and
> upstanding net citizens, have never pseudospoofed or done
> anything wrong, and are the target of an anonymous smear campaign
> by terrorists.'
> 
> - `I have been to cypherpunk meetings and parties, and I have met
> all the people who have been accused of being tentacles, and they
> are all real. In fact, I saw their drivers licenses.' `Someone
> accused of being a tentacle actually lives with me.'
> 
> - There are no conspiracies whatsoever going on inside the
> cypherpunks, including drug use by `leaders' or pseudospoofing or
> other illegitimate activities.
> 
> -  Lies are liberating. `We have a right to lie to the media and
> other people through tentacles.' One can make a game out of
> infecting respectable media outlets like Wired and NYT with
> elaborate deceptions.
> 
> - Pseudospoofing is liberating. `You are only as good as the
> number of identities you can project on the internet; this is a
> feature, not a bug.' The Enders Game book (Orson Scott Card?) is
> an example of the liberating effect of pseudospoofing on freeing
> people from their arbitrary prejudices about human identity and
> accountability.
> 
> - There's no big deal about black marketeering or tax evasion.
> Everyone does it. It's a survival tactic in a brutal world of
> corrupt governments and massive corporations out to oppress the
> little guy. We are entering a New World Order where anarchy will
> rule and all governments will crumble.
> 
> - Blacknet is a harmless and visionary cyberspatial experiment
> done by T.C.May.
> 
> - `Please take these annoying discussions about secret
> conspiracies elsewhere.'
> 
> Of course, if any of these statements are by the spies, they are
> just trying to build up your trust so that they can betray you
> later when they have the proper opportunity. Or, sometimes, there
> is the dictum that `intelligence is more valuable than
> liquidation' and they may continue to deceive you just for the
> valuable intelligence indefinately.
> 
> * * *
> 
> 
> Then there may be some `tentacles' out there that are being
> driven by the counterrevolutionaries bent on destroying the
> Cyberanarchist movement and interested in getting some of their
> own propaganda out there. These would be indistinguishable from
> cy{b,ph}erwonk loyalists.
> 
> - L.Detweiler is brilliant, has made stellar net contributions,
> has never sent death threats, no evidence exists that he is
> behind S.Boxx, he has spoken out against cyberspatial guerrila
> warfare, is the mastermind of a new mailing list but talk of a
> spy plot is preposterous, etc. He is one of many in the world who
> cares very seriously about pseudospoofing as all his writing in
> e.g. RISKS and CUD attests.
> 
> - `Very little is know about T.C. May and E.Hughes and J.Gilmore
> as far as their personalities, and in fact J.Gilmore has admitted
> publicly to drug use, and all vehemently resist making
> unequivocal public or private statements on pseudospoofing,
> although they do seem to be the target of an anonymous smear
> campaign by the anonymous person S.Boxx, but with some disturbing
> elements of truth.'
> 
> - `I have never been to cypherpunk meetings and parties, and I am
> suspicious of the behavior of many of the `people' L.Detweiler
> has accused of being tentacles, because of the lack of verifiable
> information and a sort of `cardboard cutout' flavor to their
> personalities. There seems to be some desperate damage control
> going on.'
> 
> - There seem to be some actual conspiracies going on inside the
> cypherpunks, including drug use by `leaders' or pseudospoofing or
> other illegitimate activities.
> 
> -  Lies are lies. `No one has a right to lie to the media or
> other people through tentacles.' Anyone who makes a game out of
> infecting respectable media outlets like Wired and NYT with
> elaborate deceptions is malicious, depraved, and perverted.
> 
> - Pseudospoofing is perverted. Statements like `You are only as
> good as the number of identities you can project on the internet;
> this is a feature, not a bug.' are depraved and deluded. The
> Enders Game book (Orson Scott Card?) is an example of the very
> dangerous effect of pseudospoofing on manipulating people in
> their assumptions and presumptions about human identity and
> accountability, and for mind control and brainwashing.
> 
> - Black marketeering and tax evasion are evil. Though many
> promote it, it is toxic to social harmony. Those that promote it
> are all hypocrites who claim that they have found new societies
> that are free of it, but have found only societies of poisonous
> distrust and paranoia. The whole purpose of governments and
> corporations is to serve people, and if they fail to do so they
> need to be adjusted but not destroyed.
> 
> - `Please don't censor these fascinating discussions about secret
> conspiracies and cyberanarchists.'
> 
> 
> * * *
> 
> It's quite a pity that in Cyberspace, to borrow a phrase that is
> rapidly becoming a cliche, no one knows if you are a spy. Perhaps
> we can work together to build systems that minimize this kind of
> rampant paranoia. It's really a shame that someone with a grudge
> against any mailing list or its leaders could so disrupt its
> smooth flowing operation with no repercussions. I have some ideas
> for preventing this, and in fact I encourage anyone else who does
> to join the Cy{ph,b}erwonks list and discuss these issues
> associated with Electronic Democracy.
> 
> ``The first casualty in war is the truth.'' There is a saying in
> war, `shoot them all and let God sort them out.' Perhaps in these
> turbulent times, this message represents a `list all the rumors
> and let the People sort them out.' I hope the truth prevails in
> Cyberspace as it does in the real world. Our own controversies,
> such as those above, will serve as an interesting experiment.